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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| where to this day Japan refused to grant citizenship to their descendants |
This is nonsense. Korean-Japanese are now fully entitled to Japanese citizenship, although many of them choose not to. |
Are you aware of the difference between a Korean-Japanese (child of one Korean parent and one Japanese parent) and a Korean residing in Japan? |
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Gollywog
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Debussy's brain
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Why don't they just put it to a vote of the Dokdoeans, or Dokdoese, or whatever the residents call themselvs? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Korea may have done a lot things, but they didn't. |
They did.
During World War II, they served as POW camp guards in the Japanese Imperial army. They were infamous for their abuse of prisoners. A lot of Allied ex-POWs harbour a lot of resentment towards their Korean guards.
During the Vietnam war, they served on the South Vietnamese side. Entire villages would flee if they heard that Koreans were in the area, because they were known to slaughter entire villages because of one sniper. A lot of South Korean men have body parts that they took as trophies from fallen enemy Vietnamese. |
i read the biography of le ly haslip - the one oliver stone made into a movie - and she wrote that her sister and other bar girls wouldn't serve koreans because they treated girls the absolute worst of any group of men. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Fully ethnic Koreans (Zainichi Koreans) who are born in Japan are entitled to Japanese citizenship. This change in the law happened a few years ago. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
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| Korea may have done a lot things, but they didn't. |
They did.
During World War II, they served as POW camp guards in the Japanese Imperial army. They were infamous for their abuse of prisoners. A lot of Allied ex-POWs harbour a lot of resentment towards their Korean guards.
During the Vietnam war, they served on the South Vietnamese side. Entire villages would flee if they heard that Koreans were in the area, because they were known to slaughter entire villages because of one sniper. A lot of South Korean men have body parts that they took as trophies from fallen enemy Vietnamese. |
i read the biography of le ly haslip - the one oliver stone made into a movie - and she wrote that her sister and other bar girls wouldn't serve koreans because they treated girls the absolute worst of any group of men. |
Korean are certainly not saints. Their actions in Vietnam and in their civil war show they're capable of some savage shit, but the scale is infinitely smaller. The Japanese were the ones with the massive racist empire predicated upon rape, violence, and elitist brutality. The Koreans might 'have it in them', but it's still just supposition. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
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| Korea may have done a lot things, but they didn't. |
They did.
During World War II, they served as POW camp guards in the Japanese Imperial army. They were infamous for their abuse of prisoners. A lot of Allied ex-POWs harbour a lot of resentment towards their Korean guards.
During the Vietnam war, they served on the South Vietnamese side. Entire villages would flee if they heard that Koreans were in the area, because they were known to slaughter entire villages because of one sniper. A lot of South Korean men have body parts that they took as trophies from fallen enemy Vietnamese. |
i read the biography of le ly haslip - the one oliver stone made into a movie - and she wrote that her sister and other bar girls wouldn't serve koreans because they treated girls the absolute worst of any group of men. |
Korean are certainly not saints. Their actions in Vietnam and in their civil war show they're capable of some savage shit, but the scale is infinitely smaller. The Japanese were the ones with the massive racist empire predicated upon rape, violence, and elitist brutality. The Koreans might 'have it in them', but it's still just supposition. |
"predicated upon rape, violence, and elitist brutality."
had korea been given the opportunity, they would have made the japanese look like innocent schoolboys. if you think i'm wrong you're a fool. supposition, yes. but read korea's history a little beyond the part where they were dong-saeng'd by colonization and you'll notice themes and actual incidents that support what i'm saying.
there is a certain truth to this video:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliY |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Gollywog wrote: |
| Why don't they just put it to a vote of the Dokdoeans, or Dokdoese, or whatever the residents call themselvs? |
What residents? You mean the Korean soldiers? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
"predicated upon rape, violence, and elitist brutality."
had korea been given the opportunity, they would have made the japanese look like innocent schoolboys. if you think i'm wrong you're a fool. supposition, yes. but read korea's history a little beyond the part where they were dong-saeng'd by colonization and you'll notice themes and actual incidents that support what i'm saying.
there is a certain truth to this video:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliY |
I don't know how you can keep going with this. I can point to the Thirty Years War as evidence that the Swedes are just as bad as the Nazis, but I would just have some vague theory based on extrapolation. If you look at any society you can point to the more violent and savage incidents, but only country has attempted the Greater East Asia Co prosperity Sphere and it was the Japanese. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Back to the OP:
There are 2 million Zimbabwean refugees in the UK, there is a small scale civil war occurring in northern Mexico right now....
So why should Americans give 2 craps about a bunch of rocks in the sea between Korea and Japan? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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"predicated upon rape, violence, and elitist brutality."
had korea been given the opportunity, they would have made the japanese look like innocent schoolboys. if you think i'm wrong you're a fool. supposition, yes. but read korea's history a little beyond the part where they were dong-saeng'd by colonization and you'll notice themes and actual incidents that support what i'm saying.
there is a certain truth to this video:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliY |
I don't know how you can keep going with this. I can point to the Thirty Years War as evidence that the Swedes are just as bad as the Nazis, but I would just have some vague theory based on extrapolation. If you look at any society you can point to the more violent and savage incidents, but only country has attempted the Greater East Asia Co prosperity Sphere and it was the Japanese. |
yeah i agree. they did that stuff, for damned sure. i'm sure they knew it was wrong while they were doing it.
i'm talking about opportunity and morality here. you're talking about bare facts. we're arguing in two very different spheres. had koreans been given the opportunity, they would have taken it. they have no moral high ground. history shows this.
bottom line is, japan apologized. they paid tons of money and park chung hee didn't give a cent to comfort women, he gave it all to chaebols. POSCO, among others, got a big boost from japanese reparations.
however koreans, or at least koreans who don't fully read the newspaper, have strong memories of injustice. they don't see that using that money to fuel the economy may lead to near full employment 30 years later. they think about the fact that their grandmother was raped daily and that they may be part japanese as a result.
it's a tense situation i know. koreans don't see that they have risen up and don't live in a 3rd world country... they only see past injustice that has already been apologized for. they also refuse to see that japanese people approach conflict totally differently and tend to blanche and clam up when screamed at by ridiculous, tempermental fruitcakes who should know better.
the situation makes me impatient. koreans aren't fucking saints. they have their own dirty laundry to deal with.
if your neighbor hits his wife and 300 other women you have no right to get sand in your vagina about it if you also hit your wife and 2 other women. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea may have done a lot things, but they didn't. Korea certainly could have experimented with vivisection of live Japanese during WWII, but they didn't. Korea certainly could have killed tens of thousands of Chinese men women and children in Nanjing, but they didn't. |
You seem to forget that North Korea is full of Koreans too. The things they do up there with their generational concentration camps and selling off their women as sex slaves to the Chinese certainly leads one to believe otherwise. Korean POW camp guards in WW2 as well as the atrocities in the Vietnam War by Koreans have already been brought up as well.
Koreans are more than capable...
Human guinea pigs
We hear a terrible tale from a modern day Dr Mengele.
A North Korean scientist says he used experimental chemical weapons on prisoners and stood there taking notes while they died in agony.
Dr Kim tells us: "The purpose of this experiment was to determine how long it takes for a human being to die - we wanted to determine how much gas was necessary to annihilate the whole city of Seoul."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3933727.stm
Human Trafficking & Modern-day Slavery
Republic of Korea (South Korea)[ Country-by-Country Reports ]
The Republic of Korea (R.O.K.) is primarily a source for the trafficking of women and girls within the country and to the United States (often through Canada and Mexico), Japan, Hong Kong, Guam, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Western Europe for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Women from Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the People�s Republic of China (P.R.C.), North Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, and other Southeast Asian countries are recruited to work in South Korea, and a significant number of these women are trafficked for sexual exploitation and domestic servitude. An increasing challenge for the ROK is the number of women from less developed Asian countries who are recruited for marriage to Korean men through international marriage brokers; a significant number are misled about living conditions, financial status, and expectations of their Korean husbands. Some, upon arrival in South Korea, are subjected to conditions of sexual exploitation, debt bondage, and involuntary servitude. Some employers continued to withhold the passports of foreign workers, a practice that can be used as a means to coerce forced labor. South Korean men continue to be a significant source of demand for child sex tourism in Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands.- U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2008
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/south-korea/TPEJB1E1NHT5FLR4S
North Korean sex slaves flooding China: US official
Miller said there were no accurate statistics of the number of North Korean women forced into prostitution or marriage in China.
But he said charities and church groups working in the region estimate between 30 percent and half of the many thousands of North Koreans who cross into China every year are "trafficking victims," forced or tricked into slavery.
Chinese press reports on the cross-border trade have said North Korean women are sold to Chinese brokers for several hundred to a thousand dollars each.
The repatriated women can face prison sentences of five years or longer, or even execution. But most often they are held for several months in forced labor camps, London-based organization Anti-Slavery International said in a recent report.
"There are countless testimonies of beatings, torture, degrading treatment, and even forced abortions and infanticide from those who have escaped," the report said of these camps.
Most of the North Korean women caught in slave trafficking were forced into marriages with Chinese farmers, the report said.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/12/10/2003283761 |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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The singer is actually a pretty damn cool guy, minus his used-to-be purple hair. He's a guy who's well-known to give lots of money to charity, continuously. Several thousand dollars a month or so. and he doesn't even own his own home..
Garnering popularity maybe?
I obviously side with him, but do wonder about the effectiveness of the ad. Sure, it's meant to be informative. Lots read the NYT, perhaps a couple million people will learn that Dokdo does belong to Korea. What difference is that supposed to make?
Perhaps, in the international trial that I think either or both countries are preparing for, having more people know the truth might be helpful.. |
Takeshima is a Japanese island that was taken over by Korea at gunpoint. Learn the facts, stooge. |
If it was a Japanese island, why did it have to be seized by the Japanese in 1905? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't seized since Korea never owned it in the first place.
It was officially incorporated into Japan in 1905. It had unofficially been theirs
for hundreds of years.
Whatever the case, take the thing to the ICJ and be done with it.
That or let the USA use it as a naval bombing range again...
Cordially,
GG |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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The singer is actually a pretty damn cool guy, minus his used-to-be purple hair. He's a guy who's well-known to give lots of money to charity, continuously. Several thousand dollars a month or so. and he doesn't even own his own home..
Garnering popularity maybe?
I obviously side with him, but do wonder about the effectiveness of the ad. Sure, it's meant to be informative. Lots read the NYT, perhaps a couple million people will learn that Dokdo does belong to Korea. What difference is that supposed to make?
Perhaps, in the international trial that I think either or both countries are preparing for, having more people know the truth might be helpful.. |
Takeshima is a Japanese island that was taken over by Korea at gunpoint. Learn the facts, stooge. |
If it was a Japanese island, why did it have to be seized by the Japanese in 1905? |
What Guri Guy said. The Koreans are so full of sh*t they don't even have a map before 1905 with the name Dokdo on it. Simple as that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
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The singer is actually a pretty damn cool guy, minus his used-to-be purple hair. He's a guy who's well-known to give lots of money to charity, continuously. Several thousand dollars a month or so. and he doesn't even own his own home..
Garnering popularity maybe?
I obviously side with him, but do wonder about the effectiveness of the ad. Sure, it's meant to be informative. Lots read the NYT, perhaps a couple million people will learn that Dokdo does belong to Korea. What difference is that supposed to make?
Perhaps, in the international trial that I think either or both countries are preparing for, having more people know the truth might be helpful.. |
Takeshima is a Japanese island that was taken over by Korea at gunpoint. Learn the facts, stooge. |
If it was a Japanese island, why did it have to be seized by the Japanese in 1905? |
What Guri Guy said. The Koreans are so full of sh*t they don't even have a map before 1905 with the name Dokdo on it. Simple as that. |
Who needs Korean maps? Let's use Japanese ones.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200807/200807160020.html
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-shimane.html |
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