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Pooty

Joined: 15 Jun 2008
Location: Ela stin agalia mou

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

travelingfool wrote:

It's about the hypocrisy of the whole situation. Many, not all, Koreans lump us English teachers together and believe we are losers who have financial problems and were failures back in our own countries.

Its called stereotyping.

OP, do you think the majority of native english teachers in Korea want a career in TESOL/TEFL? Do you think most of the people here have TESOL/TEFL degrees?

I would take a guess and say majority of the people here teaching English do NOT gave a degree related to TESOL. So, Koreans see a guy with a Finance degree and he's teaching English in Korea. You think they are going to believe an answer like, "I wanted to experience Korean culture."

I would venture to guess that 99% of Koreans that live in America are there for the money, not the culture, don't you think?

So, Americans see a guy with no degree running a grocery store gouging the blacks in the neighborhood with higher than normal prices (or a university student that couldn't get into a top Korean university) you think they're going to believe an answer like, "I wanted to experience American culture."

But you're missing the point. The point is that Koreans read these articles printed in their newspapers or TV shows designed to malign westerners (mostly teachers) and then come away with the view that every foreigner they run into on the street is somehow illegal and doesn't belong here.

Last edited by Pooty on Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:56 pm; edited 1 time in total

jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

travelingfool wrote:

I think more than a few people here wanted to do Asia but think Japan is too developed and China too raw. That was my thinking coming here and a few of my friends that have done this before have said the same thing. This doesn't mean that I was enthralled by 한옥마을 documentaries as a child but it does indicate at least a small interest in Korean society, if not exactly 'culture'.

Faunaki

Joined: 15 Jun 2007

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject:

NeonRain wrote:

wylies99 wrote:

That's a lot of illegal aliens. Why so many?

Because becoming a legal immigrant is a ball ache of epic proportions. Violates the wallet as well.

^This is the reason exactly. Also it's difficult for people to sponsor their parents, meaning that places like the US or Canada want people to immigrate in but at the cost of leaving dependents (elderly parents) back in the home country. That's just BS, especially with countries like Korea where the parents give everything to the kids and the kids are expected to take care of them in their old age.

It's always easy to say f$ck the illegal immigrants until the situation hits home personally.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

jkelly80 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

Considering Korea's per capita income, I would say this number is quite high, and speaks volumes about the abysmal quality of life in this country (for the natives, we have it pretty good in comparison).

And yet you live here in such abysmal conditions.

Are you brain dead, or willfully ignorant? Read what I wrote again.

I did, dork, yet you still live in these abysmal conditions that you describe? You sound... Canadian.

I don't live in bad 'conditions', nor do most EFL teachers here.

I was speaking about 'quality of life' for Koreans. There's a difference. And it's beyond obvious. You're dense, and a poor apologist.

Okay, you lame f-tard, think what you will. The fact is, it is STILL a low number compared to the number of Koreans worldwide. I don't doubt many Koreans wish to live in the U.S., but many of the people are students illegally going to high school there who will return to Korea at some point (I know plenty in this category).

Please go back to what you know best: french fries.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject:

Pooty wrote:

pkang0202 wrote:

travelingfool wrote:

It's also for their children's education, as evidenced by the large number of "geese" fathers who send their wives and children to the U.S. while staying in Korea to make money. There was a recent article about how such an arrangement isn't really effective in that it disrupts the family, drains finances, and the kids don't turn out different than they would've in Korea, but well, Koreans keep doing it.

Pooty

Joined: 15 Jun 2008
Location: Ela stin agalia mou

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject:

90% of that 230,000 are probably involved with prostitution.

jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

So you've basically moved on from attacking me for things I didn't say to making anecdotal points. You have proven to be incapable of addressing content and instead genetically predisposed to juvenile ad hominems.

You're wasting everyone's time every time you touch a keyboard, please stop posting until you grow up, sweet little 민수.

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:

well looking at the lifestyles that most poor Koreans in the US lead they arent so different from the lifestyles that they would lead in Korea either. The key difference of course, is that unlike in Korea where social mobility is also inextricably linked to your bloodline, in the US its not. This is pure conjecture, but I would have to imagine that a fair number of those illegals are kids.

I think Korean society is all about money these days, not bloodlines. Unless you're talking about the elite - and even then, the chaebol families don't all come from the old aristocracy.

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:

Joon-hyuk brings the fan-dam-ly to LA opens a grocery store, beats the son and daughter into A grade students and bam they are in Berkeley. Ok it doesnt always work that way, but that doesnt keep them from hoping and trying and for not a small number of them-- actually doing. For a lot of Korean parents out there working in the US I would have to imagine that a lot of what they do is so their children wont be trapped in society that only looks at who your parents where and how old you are and what province your ancestors came from.

For permanent immigrants maybe, but I thought most of the Koreans going to the US nowadays are there to get that all-important piece of paper that Korean society worships quite as much as parents, province, age and the rest of it.

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:

ALL of my Korean friends in the states without exception had parents who were poor and opened up Laundry Shops or Grocery Stores, and who sent the kids off to above average schools who afterward turned out (so far anyways) to be succesful in the business world.

I heard a lot of those grocery store owners back then were qualified as doctors, lawyers, or professors in Korea and but found their qualifications meant nothing in the US. So that's one reason why they pushed their kids so hard to get into college. These days Korean immigrants can be from all kinds of backgrounds.

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

Pooty wrote:

But you're missing the point. The point is that Koreans read these articles printed in their newspapers or TV shows designed to malign westerners (mostly teachers) and then come away with the view that every foreigner they run into on the street is somehow illegal and doesn't belong here.

The fact that the Korean media villifies ESL teachers for coming here illegally when many Koreans go illegally to the US is no coincidence. I believe that the Korean media finds it so easy to accuse us of certain things because they know how many Koreans in equivalent circumstances deserve such accusation.

And that goes for all the other nasty things they accuse us of too.

Then again, there do seem to be a lot of dodgy Canadians around. Wink

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

And yet you live here in such abysmal conditions.

Are you brain dead, or willfully ignorant? Read what I wrote again.

I did, dork, yet you still live in these abysmal conditions that you describe? You sound... Canadian.

Why don't you just admit that you missed the point of his original post and save the cheap shots? Everyone reading this can see what you did anyway so you might as well be gracious about it.

Pooty

Joined: 15 Jun 2008
Location: Ela stin agalia mou

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject:

Privateer wrote:

Pooty wrote:

Haha, that's true!

KiteOperations

Joined: 09 Jul 2005

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:36 am Post subject:

travelingfool wrote:

Someone on here suggested printing the article and handing it to someone who questions you about being here. I am from LA where there are an estimated 1 million Koreans. I have had only had one negative incident so far, but I would like to carry something like this article around in case someone gives me a hard time.

okay..., if a foreign guy wants me to read the print, then i'd say, ohh man you have a hard time now, right?, instead of confronting him, so what? i dont give a sh.t cuase ive never been to the states and im a just poor korean to stay in this abysmal condition for good!

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:55 am Post subject:

jkelly80 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

jkelly80 wrote:

So I guess calling me an apologist and dense isn't a personal attack? I did address your points, loser, and there can be quite a number of reasons why there are 230,000 illegal Koreans in the U.S. So if things are so abymsal, where aren't floods of Koreans flocking to the U.S.? They did back in the 60s, 70s and 80s, but if you do a little research (requires a bit more than an elementary school education), the numbers started to fall in the 90s.

Like I said, go back to french fries.

wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:59 am Post subject:

Yaya, given the population of South Korea, 230,000 illegal aliens in the USA is a large number. Do you think any of them are trying to dodge the Korean military service?

pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:

Here's my point: 230,000 Koreans are in America illegally. So what? How does that affect your life on a daily basis? How is that fact ever going to help you in Korea? You think by telling some drunk ajosshi that 230,000 Koreans are living in the US illegally is going to make you "win"? It won't do anything. It's just demographic information that has no bearing on our lives. 50,000,000 Koreans in Korea. 230,000 / 50,000,000 = .46%.

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