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| Given the Biden V Palin debate next week, what is your predicted outcome |
| Biden uterly humiliates Palin |
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| Palin defeats Biden |
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| tie |
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| Palin breaks down in tears |
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| Biden makes a truly dumb gaffe and by some miracle by where the planets aligned and hell freezes, Palin catches it |
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| Palin has a family emergency that week or something happens and the VP debate is cancelled |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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I think that Palin's best strategy would be to aggressively attack, mock, and bait Biden on some dubious stuff he's said and done during his long political career in order to keep him off balence and on the defensive.
It would also help a lot if she could bring a prop rifle and visualize her opponent as a large moose. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Shorthand for demonizing her, NAVFC. See the sixty-plus pages of it here -- and I am reading from the thread as I type this resume of some of the attacks -- attacking her and hurling allegations against her womanhood and motherhood, a creepy, corrupt woman who frames others and sacrifices her babies for her own and her friends' political ambition, a right-wing nut-job, the equivalent of the Confederacy, among other things. Some of it became simply pedestrian as well, such as Rteacher's asserting that she blew people to get where she got, and his calling her "a bitch."
You have essentially spoken like this guy since her nomination, in fact. |
demonization my a**.
The woman is a moron.
If it were a man , Id say the man is a moron. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Your "blowjob" innuendo appears this thread, page two. (Not only me, but Zutronius also caught your meaning immediately.)
On the "ask S. Palin thread," you asked: "Why are male dogs attracted to you, Governor Palin? Why did the National Enquire report that you've recently had an extamarital affair?" (dtd 4 September 2008)
On another thread, one that asked who could boast more "experience," B. Obama or S. Palin, you asserted: "I think that Palin (aptly nicknamed "baracuda") clearly has more experience being a nasty bitch." (dtd 4 September 2008)
These were the examples I had in mind when I mentioned you, above. |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| I just hope that neither VP candidate will ever need to step in. The media has done a great job of picking apart Palin, showing that she is not as polished as we would like her to be. However, youtube "Biden gaffes" and you will see that wisdom does not always come with age or experience. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| However, youtube "Biden gaffes" and you will see that wisdom does not always come with age or experience. |
Is there not a qualitative difference between:
a)
Pres. Biden: FDR went on TV and said....
Advisor across the table: (clearing throat) Ahem, Mr. President. Don't you mean "Hoover went on radio and said..."?
Pres. Biden: Oops. Yeah. That's what I meant.
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Pres. Palin: FDR went on TV and said...
Advisor...Ahem, Madam President, don't you mean "Hoover went on radio..."?
Pres. Palin: Who? Hubert Heever? Who's he? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I hope Biden pulls out the lipstick and offers her some......
or at least challenges her "small towness" by asking a few pointed questions like -
"What would you do in the event of a new intifada?" or perhaps "What is your favorite neologism? "
It's mindboggling how two so mediocre people are fighting to be the leaders of a great nation. It's proof that America values not how well you do but just that you did it. Truly egalitarian. I think I should write the next great American novel, "In Praise of Mediocrity".
DD |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| or at least challenges her "small towness" |
And just what is wrong with being from a small town? |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| However, youtube "Biden gaffes" and you will see that wisdom does not always come with age or experience. |
Is there not a qualitative difference between:
a)
Pres. Biden: FDR went on TV and said....
Advisor across the table: (clearing throat) Ahem, Mr. President. Don't you mean "Hoover went on radio and said..."?
Pres. Biden: Oops. Yeah. That's what I meant.
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Pres. Palin: FDR went on TV and said...
Advisor...Ahem, Madam President, don't you mean "Hoover went on radio..."?
Pres. Palin: Who? Hubert Heever? Who's he? |
Of course there is a difference, and if that was the way it actually played out, you would be correct. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure that... |
Your "blowjob" innuendo appears this thread, page two. (Not only me, but Zutronius also caught your meaning immediately.)
On the "ask S. Palin thread," you asked: "Why are male dogs attracted to you, Governor Palin? Why did the National Enquire report that you've recently had an extamarital affair?" (dtd 4 September 2008)
On another thread, one that asked who could boast more "experience," B. Obama or S. Palin, you asserted: "I think that Palin (aptly nicknamed "baracuda") clearly has more experience being a nasty bitch." (dtd 4 September 2008)
These were the examples I had in mind when I mentioned you, above. |
Wow. So, what were you like when you had a life? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| However, youtube "Biden gaffes" and you will see that wisdom does not always come with age or experience. |
Is there not a qualitative difference between:
a)
Pres. Biden: FDR went on TV and said....
Advisor across the table: (clearing throat) Ahem, Mr. President. Don't you mean "Hoover went on radio and said..."?
Pres. Biden: Oops. Yeah. That's what I meant.
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Pres. Palin: FDR went on TV and said...
Advisor...Ahem, Madam President, don't you mean "Hoover went on radio..."?
Pres. Palin: Who? Hubert Heever? Who's he? |
Well, from my reading of that interview, it wasn't that Biden was thinking of Herbert Hoover, but said FDR. Rather, I believe he really was thinking, at least momentarily, that FDR had been president during the crash of '29.
But it's an understandable mix-up, given that FDR is very closely associated in the public imagination with The Great Depression in all its facets. I would hope that, had he had time to reflect on the matter some more, Biden would eventually have remembered who was president in 1929.
I agree that Biden's possible lapse in memory about politics in '29 is not in the same ballpark as Sarah Palin's utter cluelessness about important issues in 2008. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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It's a good read, and I recommend it, and offer thanks to Ya-ta for showing it here. I think it expresses the anger a lot of Hillary supporters have been feeling at being played so clumsily.
Memo to Sen.Biden: Hey, Joe, here's a line you can try out in the debate if S Palin mentions the words "glass ceiling" even once:
"I have met Hillary Clinton and I have worked with Hillary Clinton. You, ma'am, are no Hillary Clinton."
Hey, it could work. Why not?
The point is, if we go at her jugular with even a little less tenacity than what happened to Dan Quayle ... THAT's when we are being sexist. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| And just what is wrong with being from a small town? |
Ya-ta, I hope your question was satirical. Hard to tell sometimes.
But if not - that response would be something I'd expect from Palin. She's think in the "actual" and not realize it is an idiom that doesn't refer to the factual thing but rather has a different referential meaning. No, don't worry about your SUV Sarah - it's not ACTUALLY raining cats and dogs!
It's a big job and she just isn't up to the task. I hope that will matter and not like with George W - be given a pass (yeah, he got his MBA - a discredit to everyone else who holds that degree from that institution).
DD
PS. I'm from a small town but my mindset is not "small town" - that is what I was referring to.... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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This is the (alleged) blowjob reference that "Gopher" took issue with:
"Rteacher" said:
She's probably blown (away?) lots of people to get to the top ... 
Hey, I need an outlet for my insult humor (since I usually keep my spiritual posts serious ...) |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ddeubel: I served in small towns. I know small towns. Small towns are a friend of mine. Ddeubel: you are no small town. In fact, the way you talk here, I sometimes wonder whether you might not really be S. Palin's sock.
Rteacher: I find it difficult to reconcile your claims to living the spiritual life with your palpably aggressive misogyny re: S. Palin. Something does not scan here. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| PS. I'm from a small town but my mindset is not "small town" - that is what I was referring to.... |
It's a good distinction. A lot of us are from small towns, and a lot of people who have made distinctive marks marks upon the world - more distinctive than anything accomplished by you or I or Gopher - are people from small towns. Barack Obama is from a small town and so is Bill Clinton.
Question is, though: did you stay in the small town? If you left, did your mind stay in the small town, with it's rigid and unimaginative value systems and limited conceptions of human life and narrow range of possibilities for what people can desire and accomplish? Did you learn a thing or two after leaving the small town or did you take false and foolish pride in your ignorance and assert at every opportunity that what was good enough for grandad is good enough for me?
I'm not saying that this describes Sarah Palin, but I think it might come close. Joe Biden has learned a thing or two since his days as a boy in his working-class neighborhood. He's done more for the people, men and women, from that neighborhood, and he's more qualified for the job than Sarah Palin is.
Joe's biggest problem in the upcoming debate is how to win it without appearing to be unkind toward someone who does not have the same smarts and abilities that he has, but who herself would likely not be kind to him.
Gopher, the quality of RTeacher's spiritual life and your ability to reconcile it with what you wish to call misogyny in order to score easy points on a message board is pretty irrelevant to what we are talking about right now. Likewise, with your snarky and snide remarks aimed at ddeubel - and by the way, on the first page of the thread you cited as a home for sexist comments about S Palin is a rather ugly bit of Jew-baiting about Joe Leiberman from someone named cornfed. You didn't think that was worth comment or rebuttal, and your only interest in showing that thread now is to shore up a shaky claim that people who oppose Palin do so because of discimination against her gender.
Absurd, and you are wasting our time. And yours. And, by the way, you are also engaging in exactly the sort of thing you have often accused Nowhere Man of doing by dredging up long-forgotten posts in order to discredit the person speaking rather than the arguing the ideas on the table. Boring.
Let's be clear: the only sexism that can be shown against Palin is the fact that the media, liberals and especially the democrats in Obama's camp have been far, far easier on her than would have been true had she been a man. The bashing you are seeing lately came after a honeymoon pause when critics just decided they couldn't keep biting their tongues anymore. Even Hillary has chosen to leave her alone, focusing all her campaigning on defeating McCain - who is, after all, the guy people need to decide about in November. |
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