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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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I don't believe civilians should be allowed to own an AK-47, or its near-equivalent. That end of the gun argument kind of gives me the willies.
I do believe they should be allowed to purchase handguns if they want, but only after they pass local gun training and tests.
I also believe that a psych evaluation should take place before someone is allowed own a handgun.
Why, you ask? Because I've been to more than a few gun shows, and there are some real nutty wackos there. In fact, while attending one particular gun show, I took a good look around, listened to people talk, and was so turned off by what I'll call "borderline paranoid individuals" circulating about that I sold my guns soon after.
You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. It will wipe out a bad guy with a hole 5 times larger than any handgun bullet will, and it won't kill your neighbors because buckshot won't penetrate far into walls. Handgun bullets will go through many walls.
I believe people who pass a psych evaluation and proper police-supervised gun course with shooting qualification should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. I also believe that gun should never be seen by the public, unless it is pulled out due to a life and death situation. If you aren't ready to kill someone with it, or are at the practice range, or are locking it up, you shouldn't even pull it out.
I'm also a little weird in that I believe all handguns stored in the home should be required to have a locking mechanism in place or be locked in a safe UNLESS it is physically on your person. A rule about my concealed-carry permit (yes, I passed a test and got one) was that the handgun had to be on my person. I couldn't drive around with it under the seat of my car.
Shotguns would be excluded from this. Put the thing next to your bed if you want. A handgun, however, is just too easy to kill yourself or someone else at home with -- especially involving young children. Obviously, I wouldn't condone keeping a loaded shotgun around kids, but I feel they are much safer due to the sheer length of the things. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| why the f did you americans use all those guns on bush? wanks |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Kenny Kimchee wrote: |
Cars are designed for transportation. Death is an an occasional unintended result.
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Yes, civilians don't need AK-47's, SKS's, or AR-15's. For lack of a better description, the guns are just badass. You aren't ever going to hunt with it, or are your going to strap it to your back and walk around public. For home defense, you would want a shotgun for close quarters. The only reason that people buy assault weapons is because it is badass.
If some guy breaks into your home and you point a shotgun at them, they will be scared.
If the same guy breaks into your house and you point an AK-47 at them, then they will probably sh** their pants. They will probably think, "This crazy mofo has an AK-47. What kind of suburban homeowner uses an AK-47 for home defense. I know what kind, the crazy kind." |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Its people like YOU who would blame firearms for someone's death, than blame the actual PERSON.
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I completely agree. People who lament a child shooting his 3 year old brother never think how it's the parent's responsibility to lock up the guns. I don't know what the laws are on getting gun permits, but if there is no course on responsible gun-usage, there should be one. |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Its people like YOU who would blame firearms for someone's death, than blame the actual PERSON.
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I completely agree. People who lament a child shooting his 3 year old brother never think how it's the parent's responsibility to lock up the guns. I don't know what the laws are on getting gun permits, but if there is no course on responsible gun-usage, there should be one. |
Mmmm, I don't think any responsible parent would have a gun in their house, whether it's locked up or not.
As for the second amendment bullshit, does it give you the right to own rocket launchers...? Where do you draw the line? No sane person has a need for a gun in their house, other than for sport. Therefore, no handguns, assault rifles, etc should be legal. Hunting guns should be allowed subject to intense background check.
This approach (used in most reasonable countries including Korea and my own country) does not keep guns off the streets completely, but drastically limits the amounts of tragic accidents. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
"Might," hell. That's the universal get-the-hell-out-of-my-house sound.
Oh, and there's a big difference between #6 shot and buckshot. Properly placed, buckshot will indeed stop an intruder. #6 shot is for grouse and partridge and such. That'll only piss the bad guy off. Bassexpander is right on one point, though - unless you're quite close to and firing directly into your drywall, shot of just about any size won't penetrate far. A .357 will crack the engine block of a Peterbilt, though, and would certainly shoot through a number of drywall sheets. |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
"Might," hell. That's the universal get-the-hell-out-of-my-house sound.
Oh, and there's a big difference between #6 shot and buckshot. Properly placed, buckshot will indeed stop an intruder. #6 shot is for grouse and partridge and such. That'll only piss the bad guy off. Bassexpander is right on one point, though - unless you're quite close to and firing directly into your drywall, shot of just about any size won't penetrate far. A .357 will crack the engine block of a Peterbilt, though, and would certainly shoot through a number of drywall sheets. |
Straight into a trick-or-treating kid? |
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mortundo
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| That Pkang0202 is some D@ck Head eh? |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
"Might," hell. That's the universal get-the-hell-out-of-my-house sound.
Oh, and there's a big difference between #6 shot and buckshot. Properly placed, buckshot will indeed stop an intruder. #6 shot is for grouse and partridge and such. That'll only piss the bad guy off. Bassexpander is right on one point, though - unless you're quite close to and firing directly into your drywall, shot of just about any size won't penetrate far. A .357 will crack the engine block of a Peterbilt, though, and would certainly shoot through a number of drywall sheets. |
Straight into a trick-or-treating kid? |
The unbalanced mistake the Halloween throngs for target practice.
The freak who shot that kid wasn't using a high-powered pistol which fires one round selectively at identified targets. He had an AK (or some Kalashnikov clone) and didn't give a damn.
You think we're all like that? |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Binch Lover wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
"Might," hell. That's the universal get-the-hell-out-of-my-house sound.
Oh, and there's a big difference between #6 shot and buckshot. Properly placed, buckshot will indeed stop an intruder. #6 shot is for grouse and partridge and such. That'll only piss the bad guy off. Bassexpander is right on one point, though - unless you're quite close to and firing directly into your drywall, shot of just about any size won't penetrate far. A .357 will crack the engine block of a Peterbilt, though, and would certainly shoot through a number of drywall sheets. |
Straight into a trick-or-treating kid? |
The unbalanced mistake the Halloween throngs for target practice.
The freak who shot that kid wasn't using a high-powered pistol which fires one round selectively at identified targets. He had an AK (or some Kalashnikov clone) and didn't give a damn.
You think we're all like that? |
No, I don't. Obviously that guy was a dangerous freak, but he would not have been able to kill that kid if he didn't have access to serious weaponry. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Binch Lover wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| You want a home defense weapon? NOTHING beats a small pump shotgun with #6 shot. |
Exactly. Even the sound of you pumping a round into the chamber might be enough to make a crook turn tail. |
"Might," hell. That's the universal get-the-hell-out-of-my-house sound.
Oh, and there's a big difference between #6 shot and buckshot. Properly placed, buckshot will indeed stop an intruder. #6 shot is for grouse and partridge and such. That'll only piss the bad guy off. Bassexpander is right on one point, though - unless you're quite close to and firing directly into your drywall, shot of just about any size won't penetrate far. A .357 will crack the engine block of a Peterbilt, though, and would certainly shoot through a number of drywall sheets. |
Straight into a trick-or-treating kid? |
The unbalanced mistake the Halloween throngs for target practice.
The freak who shot that kid wasn't using a high-powered pistol which fires one round selectively at identified targets. He had an AK (or some Kalashnikov clone) and didn't give a damn.
You think we're all like that? |
No, I don't. Obviously that guy was a dangerous freak, but he would not have been able to kill that kid if he didn't have access to serious weaponry. |
I own a semiautomatic deer rifle. Nobody in their right mind would carry this thing into a battlefield environment, but it would have done the same damn thing to that kid. Blame the shooter. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| I guess we should get ready for a spike in gun deaths. People are morons. What are they gonna do with all those guns? |
Simple. Right now you buy an AK-47 for $350. If Obama and Dems in Congress put together another Assault Weapons Ban, then all guns manufactured/Sold BEFORE the ban are still legal.
Meaning you can offload that $350 AK-47 to someone else for $800-$1000.
There is nothing illegal about private owners selling a gun to another private owner.
Another reason an Assault Weapons Ban would be completely useless. Gun ownership would've already be grandfathered in. |
Very true. We agree on some things.
There are a lot of high priorities for the government right now, banning assault rifles is not one of them. Hopefully the new administration can understand that.
If anything, the spike in gun sales is likely a knee-jerk reaction to the Obama win and/or the economic downturn. I'm a gun owner and I like going to the range as much as anyone,and there are lots of normal people who own and enjoy guns, but let's be honest: there are a lot of paranoid and/or delusional gun nuts out there.
We also saw a big spike in gun sales after 9/11 and it was probably based on fear and paranoia. The same thing is probably happening now for similar reasons. A lot of these nuts may still believe Obama is a Muslim Socialist Commie who "pals around with terrorists", so it's no wonder they are preparing for the apocalypse that only exists in their heads.
Or, at the very least, they are motivated by a fear that all Democrats are on a mission to steal their guns. These fears are flamed by the NRA, who constantly send out newsletters to the true believers that them evil liberals are inches away from taking all the guns away. It's a good way for the NRA to get donations, but it doesn't always match reality, especially since we have the 2nd Amendment and it isn't going away any time soon, if ever.
Still, banning guns is not the answer. It doesn't make much sense on a practical or political level, and it could cause more problems than it solves by punishing those who buy guns legally. A better solution is to promote gun safety, and to have harsher punishments for those that commit gun crimes in the first place. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Gun ownership seems to me in the USA was predicated on the idea people should have one last option to throw out a bad government. I used to think in a world of tanks, stealth bombers, cluster bombs, etc. that a guy with a deer rifle wasn't going to get very far in his rebellion. It might be better today to give people the right to carry LAW rockets, Stingers, .50 cal machine guns, etc.
But then the Iraq war has altered my opinion. You might not be able to take on a well armed regular army in open combat but you can wear them down. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
Mmmm, I don't think any responsible parent would have a gun in their house, whether it's locked up or not.
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That's very unfair to say. There are many responsible people that own guns. They take care of them, clean them, keep them unloaded and locked away. They teach gun safety to their family if needed. They take every precaution one should take when being a gun owner. |
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