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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| meangradin wrote: |
| "I certainly never try to force my views on anyone, however I sense that the OP does not share the same view. I feel that he is constantly beating this one beat on his drum; hence the feeling (and it may just be a observational/recall bias) of inordinate posts. |
And yet here you are back again, keeping those posts going instead of voting with your feet.
It's not hard to set up a killfile on Dave's:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=124922 |
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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Serious question.
Do all of you athiests/christians get together in your little groups and take turns to whack off over each other in bath tubs?
It seems a bit that way. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
At least the atheists are trying to figure it out using reason, logic, and more than ONE book. The rest of you mostly just ASSUME you somehow know the truth and then go from there. A position like that deserves to be attacked whether one is religious or not, so get over it and get used to it.
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Emm that�s not a fair thing to say...
Atheists don't actually practice anything to find god! Atheists are not scientists so let�s not go there...
I think Rteacher can explain something more about using the human body to look for a creator.
The mind is an unexplored place with science...
Think about YOGIS they have spent life times meditating, do you understand what that means!? 70 years everyday for 4-5 hours day, searching and feeling and listening to one�s body! That�s scientific research if you ask me! But scientists just wave the hand away at it...
70 years 6 hours a day devoted to your mind! Come on!!! And a scientist will say! Wasted time! Didn�t prove anything...
Yogis are very intelligent! And everything they learn from the world they reach on their own or passed down from teacher to student...
The greatest philosophers eastern and western from the past used the mind to look for answers And they got answers!!
Today we use tools; YOGIS still use their mind... I don�t know much about it, but meditation is a powerful tool in the right hands(  ) head?
why does a neurologist or psychiatrist have to be more credable than a YOGI?
who has spent his life devoted to the inside of the brain!!? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
At least the atheists are trying to figure it out using reason, logic, and more than ONE book. The rest of you mostly just ASSUME you somehow know the truth and then go from there. A position like that deserves to be attacked whether one is religious or not, so get over it and get used to it.
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Emm that�s not a fair thing to say...
Atheists don't actually practice anything to find god! Atheists are not scientists so let�s not go there...
I think Rteacher can explain something more about using the human body to look for a creator.
The mind is an unexplored place with science...
Think about YOGIS they have spent life times meditating, do you understand what that means!? 70 years everyday for 4-5 hours day, searching and feeling and listening to one�s body! That�s scientific research if you ask me! But scientists just wave the hand away at it...
70 years 6 hours a day devoted to your mind! Come on!!! And a scientist will say! Wasted time! Didn�t prove anything...
Yogis are very intelligent! And everything they learn from the world they reach on their own or passed down from teacher to student...
The greatest philosophers eastern and western from the past used the mind to look for answers And they got answers!!
Today we use tools; YOGIS still use their mind... I don�t know much about it, but meditation is a powerful tool in the right hands( ) head?
why does a neurologist or psychiatrist have to be more credable than a YOGI?
who has spent his life devoted to the inside of the brain!!? |
Actually science has shown that meditation is beneficial in some ways. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
At least the atheists are trying to figure it out using reason, logic, and more than ONE book. The rest of you mostly just ASSUME you somehow know the truth and then go from there. A position like that deserves to be attacked whether one is religious or not, so get over it and get used to it.
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Emm that�s not a fair thing to say...
Atheists don't actually practice anything to find god! Atheists are not scientists so let�s not go there...
I think Rteacher can explain something more about using the human body to look for a creator.
The mind is an unexplored place with science...
Think about YOGIS they have spent life times meditating, do you understand what that means!? 70 years everyday for 4-5 hours day, searching and feeling and listening to one�s body! That�s scientific research if you ask me! But scientists just wave the hand away at it...
70 years 6 hours a day devoted to your mind! Come on!!! And a scientist will say! Wasted time! Didn�t prove anything...
Yogis are very intelligent! And everything they learn from the world they reach on their own or passed down from teacher to student...
The greatest philosophers eastern and western from the past used the mind to look for answers And they got answers!!
Today we use tools; YOGIS still use their mind... I don�t know much about it, but meditation is a powerful tool in the right hands( ) head?
why does a neurologist or psychiatrist have to be more credable than a YOGI?
who has spent his life devoted to the inside of the brain!!? |
Actually science has shown that meditation is beneficial in some ways. |
Yes, meditation is good for the mind and body. The same is probably true of praying, which also feels good and can give people some peace of mind.
Unfortunately, it has no bearing on whether or not a god exists. That doesn't mean people shouldn't do it, but maybe they should take it with a grain of salt.
I really like Itaewon Guy's posts, but on this topic and on his Santa thread he has been using all kinds of straw man arguments that usually don't hold up. For example, saying a scientist would completely disregard meditation is not only speculation, it's demonstrably false. There have been plenty of scientific studies on meditation. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| You sack of shit, Kirby. You stupid, arrogant, bag of crap. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Actually, Itaewon Guy, I shouldn't have said believers ONLY use ONE book, that was unfair. But in many cases, believers tend to use their one and only holy book as proof that their god exists.
As for the claim that atheists are not scientists... well, actually most scientists ARE atheists, especially in the life sciences. That also has no bearing on whether or not a god exists, but is food for thought anyway. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| It's clear that however God was described in the Bible was through the eyes of relatively primitive people. Probably their definitions of omnipotence and omniscience, as well as the creation of the universe, were much smaller than our current philosophical absolutes. If there is a god, which there probably isn't, it's probably nothing like the Bible. |
I think you are close. The existence of the world's various religions tends to discredit any one religion being "the religion".
However the similarities between them all at a time when global communication was impossible and yet environments where very dissimilar points to a commonality that can be explained by a supernatural, external influence. Perhaps a god. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| It's clear that however God was described in the Bible was through the eyes of relatively primitive people. Probably their definitions of omnipotence and omniscience, as well as the creation of the universe, were much smaller than our current philosophical absolutes. If there is a god, which there probably isn't, it's probably nothing like the Bible. |
I think you are close. The existence of the world's various religions tends to discredit any one religion being "the religion".
However the similarities between them all at a time when global communication was impossible and yet environments where very dissimilar points to a commonality that can be explained by a supernatural, external influence. Perhaps a god. |
Why supernatural? Why not just behavioural evolution? A lot what religion says isn't actually all that hard to figure out and has to be followed for a functioning society.
I would also like to add in aliens, as that would be more credible than a supernatural reason that hasn't shown up since. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| KirbyMagnus wrote: |
Serious question.
Do all of you athiests/christians get together in your little groups and take turns to whack off over each other in bath tubs?
It seems a bit that way. |
Do people like you who parachute into threads to boldly announce you don't feel the thread is worth reading do the same? That appears to me much closer to masturbation than someone on the opposite side challenging me to defend what I know and how I know it.
Run along. |
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