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Summer Wine
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Why is there so much fear of Somalians, Iraqis, and asteroids?
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Its not fear.
Its a willingness to try to provide them with a better choice. I mean if you know anything about afghanistan, how can you really say the Taliban are good for them.
The afghan people have had a hard few years and the world either has to accept changing it for the better or giving up and shutting out entrance to certain people.
Afghanistan is in the position it is because the world turned its back on it after the russians left and didn't try to take up the hard job of fixing it.
The Taliban gave a place to live to AQ and they used it as a launching pad against the US. Maybe some of you are too young to know your history but the USA is not responsible for all the problems in the world today no matter how nice it seems to blame them. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| 104 dead, super |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| 2 more soldiers bit it today , 106 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Sharkey, what is the unit that goes with the number? |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. It must be something to do with the French history there.... |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. It must be something to do with the French history there.... |
you know nothing of canadian military history |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars.... |
Vimy Ridge mean anything? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. |
Canada has no business in Afghanistan. We have absolutely nothing in common and there is no way that NATO can meaningfully and permanently change the dysfunction there. It is a black hole and the mission can not succeed. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars.... |
Vimy Ridge mean anything? |
That Canada is dead, dead, dead. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| bjonothan wrote: |
| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. |
Canada has no business in Afghanistan. We have absolutely nothing in common and there is no way that NATO can meaningfully and permanently change the dysfunction there. It is a black hole and the mission can not succeed. |
Yeah, but you wouldn't wanna be the Liberal or Tory PM who has to go on TV and say that Afghanistan is a dysfuntional black hole and NATO is accomplishing nothing. Because the next logical step in that equation is to admit that all those Canadian soldiers have basically died in vain. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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That's fine and true.
Getting out is a quite a great deal more difficult than getting in. But that doesn't mean that a responsible government shouldn't get on it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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That's fine and true.
Getting out is a quite a great deal more difficult than getting in. But that doesn't mean that a responsible government shouldn't get on it. |
Yeah, but ya gotta find a face-saving way to go about it. You can't just say "well, it's as fucked now as it was when we went in, so we might as well get out while we still can". Ya gotta finesse the message somehow. And I'm not exactly sure how you go about doing that.
If you wanted to throw diplomatic caution to the wind, you could just blame it all on coked-out American psychokiller trailer-trash soldiers who ruined your otherwise honorable efforts at Pearsonian whatever. A certain segment of the Canadian public laps that stuff up like warm milk. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
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| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. It must be something to do with the French history there.... |
you know nothing of canadian military history |
Wow, you had one good fight. Wikipedia says: As of 2006, Canada had the second-highest peacekeeping fatality in the world, behind India.
I can't see anything to brag about there. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| bjonothan wrote: |
| What I find despicable is the fact that Canadians seem to be the ones always trying to run away from wars. It must be something to do with the French history there.... |
you know nothing of canadian military history |
Sharkey is absolutely right. You are truly ignorant if you believe that Canada didn't more than pull its weight in WWII. As a relatively small country, Canada nevertheless had its own beach on D-Day.
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Not only was Canada's war effort in World War II far more extensive than that in World War I, it also had a much more lasting impact on Canadian society. By the end of the war, more than 1,000,000 Canadians (about 50,000 of whom were women [who were employed exclusively in service positions]) had served in the three services. Casualties were lower than in the previous war, with approximately 42,000 killed or having died in service and 54,400 wounded. [Source: Encyclopaedia Britannica]
The more-than 21,000 women who served in the Canadian army during World War II filled an array of roles, although they were excluded from combat duty. More than 2,000 were posted overseas and at least 25 lost their lives in the line of duty.
Source: Toronto Star, Sep. 19, 2004. 01:00 AM
"Amid fond memories, army women disband
Proud wartime service created lifelong friends"
In contrast, more than a million Canadian men served in the Canadian Armed Forces during Word War II, and about 50,000 of them died in the service of their country, one out of every 20 that served, as opposed to the 25 women that died, one out of every 840 women that served, according to the numbers published in the article by the Toronto Star. |
http://fathersforlife.org/hist/wwiicas.htm |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well, now you all seem to want to run away like girls. What usually matters most is the here and now. I was looking at a forum the other day where they had a scenario where the Canadians would fight New Zealand and they weren't even that much far ahead of them. 
You can't have the cake and eat it too Canucks. You run away like fags or you stay and fight and be known as a "fighting country". In the last fifty years you have been more or less known as the former. |
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