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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
It's confirmed that the cow came from Canada.


Is it confirmed where the cow got the disease?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some articles you might find interesting, then:


Mad cow probe focuses on tracing herd
Investigators track cattle that entered U.S. with infected animal:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3860925/

I found this quote interesting, "It was born at a dairy farm in the Canadian province of Alberta and was brought to the U.S. in a herd of 81 cattle in 2001. The only other case of the disease in North American-born cattle was discovered in May in a Black Angus cow from an Alberta herd.

Officials have said they believe both cows probably were infected as calves because they were born before August 1997, when the United States and Canada banned cattle feed that contained parts of cattle, sheep or other cud-chewing animals."


Here is another article about a previous incident from last year:

Canada's mad cow case may not be isolated incident
(from a previous Canada incident last May): http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/world/5914225.htm


By the way, you might notice that OJ is NOT serving Canadian beef in my Avatar, although it is suspect as to what kind of meat it might be.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Glad to see that the new year has made the two of you so much happier. And polite, too. Hope that things continue to go well for the two of you in your strange little worlds. Cheers!
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not proof derrek.




Times have changed, our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents, they just want to fart and curse
Should we blame the government?
or blame society?
or should we blame the images on tv?

No, blame Canada, blame Canada
with all their beedy little eyes
have packed their heads so full of lies
Blame Canada, Blame canada
We need to form a full assault its Canada's fault!

Don't blame me for my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon and now he's off to join the clan
And my boy Eric once had my picture on his shelf
now when I see him he tells me to *beep* myself

Well? Blame Canada, blame Canada
It seems that everythings gone wrong since Canada came along
Blame Canada, Blame Canada

They're not even a real country anyway

My son could have been a doctor or a lawyer rich and true
instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbeque
Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?

Heck no! Blame Canada, Blame Canada with all their hockey hollaballoo
And that byatch Ann Murray too!
Blame Canada, Shame on Canada,
for the smut we must stuff
the trash we must stash
the laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them
the cause of fuss
BEFORE SOMEBODY THINKS OF BLAMING US

Laughing
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proof is in the dates. Try studying up on the incubation period of the disease, etc. Also, keep in mind where the disease comes from -- food made from dead animals. They don't feed food like that to these animals in the USA. They don't in Canada either -- supposedly. But how can we be sure? Canadians are apparently not required to keep detailed records of animals, and one could assume that their cattle are not monitored as closely either.

Again, read closely about facts behind the dates.

And if anything seems lacking, perhaps the conclusion could be seen more easily if Canadians had a better system for keeping track of their livestock (recordkeeping, etc.).

Do you think that some US organization just got together and dreamed up (and created a paper trail overnight) that the cow came from Canada? We have records and proof of where this cow came from. The only thing Canada has is a big finger pointed at them because they already had the disease there -- in the same area that this cow came from -- just last year.
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matko



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cow came from Canada.

You say that Canadian farmers 'supposedly' don't feed their cows with infected feed but you are SURE Americans don't.

What a joke.

I'm not saying it was or was not infected in Canada. There is no proof.

American officaias say it 'probably' was.

Do you know what 'probably' sounds like coming from an American official's mouth?

American officials were 'sure' their were WMD's in Iraq.

Now I'm supposed to belive probably?!?!?!

After 9/11 American officials were saying the terrorists probably came in through Canada. OOPS!!! WRONG AGAIN!

Why can't you admit that it could have been infected in the US?

Is it because you are arrogant?
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matko wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
It's confirmed that the cow came from Canada.


Is it confirmed where the cow got the disease?

No it isn't. I'm merely addressing the phrase
Quote:
"evidently" traced back to Canada


And as for how/where it became infected it could still go either way but even Canadian officials are admitting that it 'likely' caught BSE in Canada; You'll have to wait until Monday for a link as I only have access to it on my work pc.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
The proof is in the dates. Try studying up on the incubation period of the disease, etc. Also, keep in mind where the disease comes from -- food made from dead animals. They don't feed food like that to these animals in the USA. They don't in Canada either -- supposedly. But how can we be sure?


The only rule is that cattle parts can't be fed back to cattle. They are still fed to chickens and pigs, and chicken/pig parts are still fed to cows.
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anae



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: cowtown

PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
And if anything seems lacking, perhaps the conclusion could be seen more easily if Canadians had a better system for keeping track of their livestock (recordkeeping, etc.).

Do you think that some US organization just got together and dreamed up (and created a paper trail overnight) that the cow came from Canada? We have records and proof of where this cow came from. The only thing Canada has is a big finger pointed at them because they already had the disease there -- in the same area that this cow came from -- just last year.


Canada does have a birth to death tracking system. However, it was not in place in the time before this cow was sold. The orignial owners of the cow in Alberta did keep careful records and we should know more shortly.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/madcow/trackingcattle.html

The US does not yet have a beef tracking system.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/erp/story/0,10801,88680,00.html?f=x60

The two countries have an integrated system when it comes to beef. Cows, feed, and beef have gone back and forth across the border for years. Finger pointing is ridiculous even when it is done by Canadians who posit that the original infected cow came from a US shipment of cows that did not immediately go to slaughter.

Why are we even talking about this on this thread?
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anae wrote:
Why are we even talking about this on this thread?

I have no idea.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for a split.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I don't know if the cow was infected in Canada or not. Nobody knows at this point.

My question is why are arrogant Americans like Derrek saying it is without proof?

Logic:

The cow came from Canada.

Canada had Mad cow disease before.

Therefore, the cow was infected in Canada.

Answer: WRONG!

Logic:

When it rains the ground is wet.

I woke up this morning and the ground was wet.

Therefore, it must have rained last night.

Answer: WRONG!
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow... you guys are being so typically Canadian *laugh*.
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matko



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Derrek,

you're the stereotype personified.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Wow... you guys are being so typically Canadian *laugh*.


Remember during the blackout last fall how New York governor Pakaki said that the blackout started in Canada? "Hey, it's not my fault! It's his!" Then in the end it started in Ohio.

Basically it's known the cow is from a farm in Canada, but that's all that is known. It was probably infected prior to 1997's ban on cattle parts being fed back to Canada, but where did the feed come from? Cross border feed happens all the time. Plus that's a pretty big assumption to assume the cow did not contract the disease after 1997 as there is virtually no enforcement on the inclusion of cow parts into cow feed as it's perfectly legal to include cow parts into chicken and pig feed, and chicken and pig parts can still be fed to cows. It's not as though you can tell just by looking at the feed.

And it had to come from a cow that was already infected. Where was that cow? And how many other cows have been infected but not diagnosed due to their deaths before symptoms arose? Very few cattle are ever tested for BSE, and only tested after symptoms arise.

Which is why people are asking why finger pointing is going on. We simply don't know the facts yet.
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