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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Books: George W. Bush, War Criminal?

20 Types of War Crimes Against Children Attributed to Ex-President Bush

Michael Haas

Published on Mar 21, 2009 - 10:24:48 AM


Reviewed by: Sherwood Ross


Mar. 21, 2009 - Torture has received the most attention among the many war crimes of the Bush administration. But those who support Bush's pursuit of the "war on terror" have not been impressed by recriminations over torture. Worse than torture are the murders of at least 50 prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo, but again the hard-hearted are unimpressed when those whom they perceive as terrorists receive illegal extrajudicial capital punishment.

The case for abusing children, however, is more difficult to support. The best kept secret of the Bush's war crimes is that thousands of children have been imprisoned, tortured, and otherwise denied rights under the Geneva Conventions and related international agreements. Yet both Congress and the media have strangely failed to identify the very existence of child prisoners as a war crime. In the Islamic world, however, there is no such silence. Indeed, the prophet Mohammed was the first to counsel warriors not to harm innocent children.


From jailing children together with adults in prisons where they were raped to failing to notify their parents of their arrest, the U.S. committed numerous war crimes against children in Afghanistan and Iraq, a new book on President Bush states.

"American guards videotaped Iraqi male prisoners raping young boys but took no action to stop the offenses (and) children in Abu Ghraib were deliberately frightened by dogs," writes political scientist Michael Haas in his new book, "George W. Bush, War Criminal?"(Praeger), a question he answers in the affirmative.

"In most cases, weeks or even years elapsed before parents were informed of the imprisonment of their children," says Haas, noting that in Afghanistan alone during 2002 "at least 800 boys, aged 10 to 15 were captured", 64 of whom were sent to Guantanamo, Cuba, where some were flung into solitary confinement. Haas notes that Protocol 1 of the 1977 Geneva Convention states "No Party to the conflict shall arrange for the evacuation of children, other than its own nationals, to a foreign country" unless written consent of the parents is obtained.

In a wide-ranging 389-page volume that documents 269 different classes of war crimes perpetrated by the Bush administration, some of them repeated hundreds or thousands of times, Haas systematically exposes the former president's reckless disregard for child welfare.

To begin with, Bush's legal advisors disputed the very definition of "child" as a person under 18 years of age who needs special protection. That's the definition spelled out in the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The U.S. defined "child" as someone age 16 or younger. The U.S. last year told the UN's Committee on the Rights of the Child(CRC) since 2002 it had detained 2,400 children in Iraq and 100 in Afghanistan although other sources state the latter figure was 800. (Irrespective of the number, it is a war crime to detain any person indefinitely, which was the case here.) Also, as of May, 2008, there were 21 children incarcerated in Guantanamo. The CRC has "upbraided the United States for charging minors with war crimes instead of treating underage persons as victims of war," Haas writes..

Contrary to the CRC's Article 9, which states that a captured child shall be allowed to "maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis," some children were not allowed to write or telephone home for as long as five years.

And where CRC's Article 13 guarantees "The child shall have the right to freedom to...seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print," Haas points out "Most children were held incommunicado at Guantanamo until April, 2003" and that one child, Mohammed Jawad "remains in solitary confinement." Jawad received promises of books to study that have not been kept, Haas adds.

Other violations of international covenants pertaining to children include:

# The failure to stop mistreatment of children,

# The failure to investigate the abuse of children.

# The failure to prosecute prison personnel allegedly guilty of such abuse.

# The failure to allow parents to visit children.

# The failure to allow children to have legal counsel.

# The failure to provide children with speedy trials.

# The failure to promptly inform children of the crimes against them.

# The failure to allow witnesses to testify in behalf of children.

# The failure to provide children with social programs.

And although CRC Article 31 requires that children have the right "to engage in play and recreational activities appropriate to the age of the child," Haas writes, "There is no record of recreation for the hundreds of children detained at Bagram or at Abu Ghraib."

The CRC's Article 37 requires that "No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" yet at Abu Ghraib a girl of about 12 was stripped naked and beaten, according to Iraqi journalist Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz, who heard her screams. He also witnessed a 15-year-old boy forced to run up and down the prison carrying two heavy cans of water who was beaten whenever he stopped. On yet another occasion, authorities arrested the 16-year-old son of Iraqi General Hamid Zabar and tortured him before presenting him to his father, whom they wanted to confess. These and several hundred other war crimes are detailed in the new book.

Professor Haas is the author or editor of 33 books on government and world politics. He has taught at a number of outstanding schools, including the University of London and Northwestern University. To receive his book, send check in the amount of $32 to Haas at P.O. Box 46127, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Haas may be reached at [email protected].
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

No. If I believed that Bush was a criminal then yes. But I don't. IF people had proof, real solid proof that Bush was a criminal, they'd take it to the courts. But it's been YEARS and nothing viable has even shown its head. Therefore it's a non-issue. Bush is gone, and his detractors will have to be content with that.

Really?
I've thought for a few years he and his puppeteer manipulators should be tried for high treason.
Agreed though. Such proceedings shouldn't be allowed to provide concealment for the criminal activities of the current administration.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Books: George W. Bush, War Criminal?

20 Types of War Crimes Against Children Attributed to Ex-President Bush

Michael Haas

Published on Mar 21, 2009 - 10:24:48 AM


Reviewed by: Sherwood Ross


Mar. 21, 2009 - Torture has received the most attention among the many war crimes of the Bush administration. But those who support Bush's pursuit of the "war on terror" have not been impressed by recriminations over torture. Worse than torture are the murders of at least 50 prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo, but again the hard-hearted are unimpressed when those whom they perceive as terrorists receive illegal extrajudicial capital punishment.

The case for abusing children, however, is more difficult to support. The best kept secret of the Bush's war crimes is that thousands of children have been imprisoned, tortured, and otherwise denied rights under the Geneva Conventions and related international agreements. Yet both Congress and the media have strangely failed to identify the very existence of child prisoners as a war crime. In the Islamic world, however, there is no such silence. Indeed, the prophet Mohammed was the first to counsel warriors not to harm innocent children.


From jailing children together with adults in prisons where they were raped to failing to notify their parents of their arrest, the U.S. committed numerous war crimes against children in Afghanistan and Iraq, a new book on President Bush states.

"American guards videotaped Iraqi male prisoners raping young boys but took no action to stop the offenses (and) children in Abu Ghraib were deliberately frightened by dogs," writes political scientist Michael Haas in his new book, "George W. Bush, War Criminal?"(Praeger), a question he answers in the affirmative.

"In most cases, weeks or even years elapsed before parents were informed of the imprisonment of their children," says Haas, noting that in Afghanistan alone during 2002 "at least 800 boys, aged 10 to 15 were captured", 64 of whom were sent to Guantanamo, Cuba, where some were flung into solitary confinement. Haas notes that Protocol 1 of the 1977 Geneva Convention states "No Party to the conflict shall arrange for the evacuation of children, other than its own nationals, to a foreign country" unless written consent of the parents is obtained.

In a wide-ranging 389-page volume that documents 269 different classes of war crimes perpetrated by the Bush administration, some of them repeated hundreds or thousands of times, Haas systematically exposes the former president's reckless disregard for child welfare.

To begin with, Bush's legal advisors disputed the very definition of "child" as a person under 18 years of age who needs special protection. That's the definition spelled out in the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The U.S. defined "child" as someone age 16 or younger. The U.S. last year told the UN's Committee on the Rights of the Child(CRC) since 2002 it had detained 2,400 children in Iraq and 100 in Afghanistan although other sources state the latter figure was 800. (Irrespective of the number, it is a war crime to detain any person indefinitely, which was the case here.) Also, as of May, 2008, there were 21 children incarcerated in Guantanamo. The CRC has "upbraided the United States for charging minors with war crimes instead of treating underage persons as victims of war," Haas writes..

Contrary to the CRC's Article 9, which states that a captured child shall be allowed to "maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis," some children were not allowed to write or telephone home for as long as five years.

And where CRC's Article 13 guarantees "The child shall have the right to freedom to...seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print," Haas points out "Most children were held incommunicado at Guantanamo until April, 2003" and that one child, Mohammed Jawad "remains in solitary confinement." Jawad received promises of books to study that have not been kept, Haas adds.

Other violations of international covenants pertaining to children include:

# The failure to stop mistreatment of children,

# The failure to investigate the abuse of children.

# The failure to prosecute prison personnel allegedly guilty of such abuse.

# The failure to allow parents to visit children.

# The failure to allow children to have legal counsel.

# The failure to provide children with speedy trials.

# The failure to promptly inform children of the crimes against them.

# The failure to allow witnesses to testify in behalf of children.

# The failure to provide children with social programs.

And although CRC Article 31 requires that children have the right "to engage in play and recreational activities appropriate to the age of the child," Haas writes, "There is no record of recreation for the hundreds of children detained at Bagram or at Abu Ghraib."

The CRC's Article 37 requires that "No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" yet at Abu Ghraib a girl of about 12 was stripped naked and beaten, according to Iraqi journalist Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz, who heard her screams. He also witnessed a 15-year-old boy forced to run up and down the prison carrying two heavy cans of water who was beaten whenever he stopped. On yet another occasion, authorities arrested the 16-year-old son of Iraqi General Hamid Zabar and tortured him before presenting him to his father, whom they wanted to confess. These and several hundred other war crimes are detailed in the new book.

Professor Haas is the author or editor of 33 books on government and world politics. He has taught at a number of outstanding schools, including the University of London and Northwestern University. To receive his book, send check in the amount of $32 to Haas at P.O. Box 46127, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Haas may be reached at [email protected].



You are a little late. These allegations were discussed YEARS ago on here. And still no evidence has ever been shown, other than a handful of prisoners who obviously have something to gain by these allegations.

If this were true and provable, we'd be treated to weeks of headlines by every major newspaper and news station.

And Dave's ESL cafe is not a place for hawking someone's books.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Professor Haas is the author or editor of 33 books on government and world politics. He has taught at a number of outstanding schools, including the University of London and Northwestern University. To receive his book, send check in the amount of $32 to Haas at P.O. Box 46127, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Haas may be reached at [email protected].



You are a little late. These allegations were discussed YEARS ago on here. And still no evidence has ever been shown, other than a handful of prisoners who obviously have something to gain by these allegations.

If this were true and provable, we'd be treated to weeks of headlines by every major newspaper and news station.

And Dave's ESL cafe is not a place for hawking someone's books.

That was your bolding, not mine, but perhaps I should have edited out that line.

Haas' email address is there for you to tell him about his lateness. However, the topic is current because the book just came out AND the legal briefs justifying the torture by Bush's henchmen have just been released so the topic is in the news again.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Professor Haas is the author or editor of 33 books on government and world politics. He has taught at a number of outstanding schools, including the University of London and Northwestern University. To receive his book, send check in the amount of $32 to Haas at P.O. Box 46127, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Haas may be reached at [email protected].



You are a little late. These allegations were discussed YEARS ago on here. And still no evidence has ever been shown, other than a handful of prisoners who obviously have something to gain by these allegations.

If this were true and provable, we'd be treated to weeks of headlines by every major newspaper and news station.

And Dave's ESL cafe is not a place for hawking someone's books.

That was your bolding, not mine, but perhaps I should have edited out that line.

I bolded that to emphasize my point...but yes I forgot to add "[bolding mine]" My bad. Thanks for your eagle eye.

Haas' email address is there for you to tell him about his lateness. However, the topic is current because the book just came out AND the legal briefs justifying the torture by Bush's henchmen have just been released so the topic is in the news again.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Torture of detainees is only one of many crimes of which Bush can be accused.

Despite qualified immunity, as you know, Kuros, public officials can be sued in either or both of their individual or public capacities, and many acting under color of state law have been found liable in cases under 1983. (I even brought a successful one myself!)


You are just a liberal that hates America.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Torture of detainees is only one of many crimes of which Bush can be accused.

Despite qualified immunity, as you know, Kuros, public officials can be sued in either or both of their individual or public capacities, and many acting under color of state law have been found liable in cases under 1983. (I even brought a successful one myself!)


You are just a liberal that hates America.



No he isn't. He is a brave patriot fighting for truth, justice and the American way.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Torture of detainees is only one of many crimes of which Bush can be accused.

Despite qualified immunity, as you know, Kuros, public officials can be sued in either or both of their individual or public capacities, and many acting under color of state law have been found liable in cases under 1983. (I even brought a successful one myself!)


You are just a liberal that hates America.

Because I beat government officials in a lawsuit???

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may finally get one!

Tribunal to Hear War Crimes

Posted: 2011/11/19

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal (Tribunal) will be hearing war crimes charges against George W Bush (former U.S. President) and Anthony L Blair (former British Prime Minister) from November 19-22, 2011 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

KUALA LUMPUR, 19 November 2011 - This is the first time that war crimes charges will be heard against these two former heads of state in compliance with due legal process, wherein complaints from war victims had been received, duly investigated and formal charges instituted by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (Commission)...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote:
They may finally get one!

Tribunal to Hear War Crimes

The verdicts are in:

Malaysian �tribunal� finds Bush, Blair guilty of war crimes

A symbolic tribunal in Malaysia ruled unanimously Tuesday that former U.S. President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair were both guilty of �crimes against peace� for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, part of an initiative by former Malaysian premier Mahathir Mohamad � a fierce critic of the Iraq war � found the former leaders guilty after a four-day hearing...

�The evidence showed that the drums of wars were being beaten long before the invasion. The accused in their own memoirs have admitted their own intention to invade Iraq regardless of international law,� it said.

Next week, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal is expected to consider torture charges against former U.S.Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
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