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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| HughCl wrote: |
Boxchocaltes,
Yes Please I am trying to think of the bigger picture here which is why I am asking the women for help. Even though it is open and considered normal here in Korea to go to room salons I want to know if that is because of the lack of opportunities in other business area for women that this may feel normal here.
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Pretty sure the glass ceiling is set a little lower in Korea, as in women can't advance nearly as far in buisness positions as men. Men have tonnes of money, women do not, exchanges are made. So, yes, I think a lack of opportunities plays a rather large role in a woman's decision to enter into prostitution. I think the stigma is even greater in Korea than it is in western societies, but I'm just guessing at that.
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I think women in Western society are conditioned more to be idealistic as a result of the "love" industry. Meaning bridal magazines 2 inches thick, the chivalry romance notion of "love" as opposed to the arranged marriage of other countries. Really I think that the Tom Cruise "You complete me" kind of love is a dangerous narcotic sold to westerners expecially females. I believe in marriage or long term pairing but the concept of find your "other half" or "there is one person out there that is for me" I find disingenous. |
I see what you're saying. We also get a more open education on the mysteries of s-e-x, so maybe the two balance each other out. I don't see a whole lot of high school sweethearts remaining together forever in the popular media, but maybe after that travesty "Twilight" there will be a huge and vomit-inducing resurgence of that sappy crap. Oh, dear, is my single-and-bitter showing again? |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| HughCl wrote: |
DRAZ,
Can you make that much money stealing? Even in rural areas were there is not much to steal? Hmm I will thin about that one-- |
So a guy in a rural area where there's nothing to steal gets money to pay for sex... where? |
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HughCl
Joined: 18 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Draz,
Good point. Rural guys might not have the money either.
ABox,
Dont worry about being "single and bitter". You can be partnered and bitter too 
Also I am not sure if bitter is the right word is it? It is sappy crap and a dangerous one at that. You can find a partner and be happy but not think he/she was destined for you and this is the "one" so it will work. That Western love industry preys upon a naive weakness -IMHO- and is taken to extremes in North America especially. |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Question For the Ladies |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
Why should women be in any better of a position to comment on whether or not prostitution is harmful to society? |
The OP never said women were in a better position to comment. The OP just wanted to know their perspective. |
Re-read the OP's comments again. Carefully. Then think. Then post. |
The OP did not imply in any way in the first post that women are in a better position to comment on this issue. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| HughCl wrote: |
Dont worry about being "single and bitter". You can be partnered and bitter too
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I was joking. I am actually pretty happy being single. I do what I want, go where I want, address hygene when I want- things are sweet for the single woman. As has been addressed on this website, when I have to deal with my baser animal instincts I pretty much just have to go out and make some grunting noises at the nearest single (I hope) male and I can usually get lucky. I should actually do a cross cultural comparison on the behaviors of western and Korean men in the one night stand setting. Thus far, western gentlemen, you win for coolness factor hands down. Technique is a tie.
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| You can find a partner and be happy but not think he/she was destined for you and this is the "one" so it will work. That Western love industry preys upon a naive weakness -IMHO- and is taken to extremes in North America especially. |
I agree, it is all a pack of lies, a pack of twisted, sick lies people feed to their teenage children to keep them from fornicating and keep feeding them to keep them from divorcing after highschool. Or that's what it was fifty years ago, now it's just a bunch of corperations capitalizing on what remains of our great grandparents attempts to keep us from burning in hell for eternity. Insert your own commas. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| HughCl wrote: |
| You can find a partner and be happy but not think he/she was destined for you and this is the "one" so it will work. That Western love industry preys upon a naive weakness -IMHO- and is taken to extremes in North America especially. |
I agree, it is all a pack of lies, a pack of twisted, sick lies people feed to their teenage children to keep them from fornicating and keep feeding them to keep them from divorcing after highschool. Or that's what it was fifty years ago, now it's just a bunch of corperations capitalizing on what remains of our great grandparents attempts to keep us from burning in hell for eternity. Insert your own commas. |
But even there are lies and hypocrisy, a no-string-attached relationship is essentially different from prostitution.....a one night stand might be considered as a bilaterally offset prostitution though.
I agree with a previous poster that prostitution is rooted in laziness, I will add selfishness as well... The whole thing is a matter of degree.
Its human nature to be selfish and lazy at times, we accept our inherent weakness but noone should get proud of it and indulge ourselves.
Masturbation could help stressed out people to get some relief, but too much masturbation? Likewise, our society is still based on family and heterosexual monogamous relationship. Prostitution could help soothe people, but very less likely it could become the main stream. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Let's not confuse prostitution with sexual vice in general. What makes prostitution special is one person gives money to another to receive sex. The defining parts of that relationship are buyer gives money, prostitute receives money. All the other side benifits a prostitute might receive are coincidental. The prostitute is not answering a hedonistic drive, he or she is exchanging a service for money. Maybe by your moral standards the two are similarily immoral, but sluttyness and prostitution are not interchangable.
So how many visits to a prostitute are overindulgence? How many one night stands are overindulgence? How many times can you sleep with your partner a week, a month, or a year without overindulging in sex? Is it somehow less self indulgent to enjoy sex with a stable partner than it is to enjoy it with a prostitute or a one night stand? |
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HughCl
Joined: 18 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thus far, western gentlemen, you win for coolness factor hands down. Technique is a tie. |
Really ABOX?
Technique a tie??
damn I would have thought Western guys win hands down (so to speak). I mean without reverting to sterotypes many of the guys I have seen at the gym aren't exactly starting off with surplus materials. Maybe they can teach us some techique..[/quote] |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I mean without reverting to sterotypes many of the guys I have seen at the gym aren't exactly starting off with surplus materials. Maybe they can teach us some techique.. |
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I can't speak for women in general, but size really doesn't matter. I was kind of suprised too as I figured korean men would be a bit more innocent. Nope, and they are just so happy to be invited!! And even if the equipment is small, you can usually be pretty sure your gentleman friend will have a fairly athletic body. It's usually pretty socially akward afterwards. There should be international decorum guidelines. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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aboxofchocolate, I dont think prostitution is immoral, I said" it is a matter of degree". indulgence however is immoral.
But I agree with you there are differences between sluttiness and prostitution----
That being said, women who sleep with lots of men for money are miserable whores; women who sleep with lots of men for fun are upper-class gentleladies (please refer to <sex and the city>  ), the differences are apparent though, the latter look for fun and they can choose with whom they want to have sex. But both, to my opinion, are nearly pathetic. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| But both, to my opinion, are nearly pathetic. |
And disease ridden, right? Don’t for get disease ridden! Dirty w-h-o-r-e-s spreading their disease and tempting good men away from their wives, they should be shipped off to AIDS island with the gays and trannies.
Tradition doesn’t work for all people. It’s a narrow way of life. I’m sure all of your little quirks are totally justifiable, of course- nothing damning enough to keep you from condemning others!
Nice avatar, btw….
I am wondering, how much sex with your long-term partner is indulgence? Or do you suggest people keep it down to what is necessary for procreation purposes? |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| Panda wrote: |
| But both, to my opinion, are nearly pathetic. |
And disease ridden, right? Don�t for get disease ridden! Dirty w-h-o-r-e-s spreading their disease and tempting good men away from their wives, they should be shipped off to AIDS island with the gays and trannies.
Tradition doesn�t work for all people. It�s a narrow way of life. I�m sure all of your little quirks are totally justifiable, of course- nothing damning enough to keep you from condemning others!
Nice avatar, btw�.
I am wondering, how much sex with your long-term partner is indulgence? Or do you suggest people keep it down to what is necessary for procreation purposes? |
Disease ridden? Generally, they are, what should we condemn then, lady, maybe we should condemn drug-resistant STD instead? 
I would not stand by if I saw people suffering, no matter who they are, whores are pathetic, I have reasons to look down uppon them (anyone here who say they respect a *beep*? Seriously, please make your voice heard.) but they are equally human beings to me...
There is no cut point for anything that indulged per se, we judge by our common sense. Thus my opinion is mine.
Since having sex is still the main way human beings making babies, since our infant sex ratio wont change to 1:2 or 3:1 ( its almost 1:1), I can assure you of the maitenance of monogamous relationship in our world, and unfortunately, other ways of life wont be accepted by the majority. Have some faith in science, baby.  |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Aboxofchocolate
Having been in Korean for 4 years, I have never seen a naked Korean man, not to mention comparing their skills in bed, to some extent, I am envious of you, in others' eyes, I might be very pathetic...but I have no regret.
People listen to their own hearts, thus even I argue with you here, I have no intention to make you feel bad ( I was not able to even if I wanted )and I do respect your way of life...  |
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HughCl
Joined: 18 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Panda
I dont know your age but 4 years seems like a long time to go without physical realtions. I actualy think its probably not so healthy (You dont have to have sex) The Bible actually condemns celibacy..
And it sounds a little pejorative to say that "you respect your (aboxchox's) your way of life" doesn't it. Having sex every once in a while is not really a "way of life" is it just life? "way of life" sounds like something straight people say to gays while trying to support them yet really thinking of them as unusual doesnt it?
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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HughCl, dont mistake me, I only said "I havent seen any Korean man". As to how often should an adult have sex to keep a healthy life. The answer would be (0-as often as you can). I am atheist btw.
"the way of life" is just a quotation from aboxofchocolate, if you think I am trying to lower anyone here by typing a foreign language, then you too over-estimate a panda. |
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