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TheUrbanMyth
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The kid has a black belt, he should have been able to defend himself without breaking the other guy's nose.
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How? A black belt doesn't confer some mystical ability on you to beat bigger and stronger people. If you hold back, you can still wind up getting whipped.
Judo...maybe as there are a number of throws and submission holds taught.
Karate, not so much. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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No racial overtones in fight: police
Police Chief Armand La Barge says there is no history of racial conflict between the two boys who fought.National Post FilesPolice Chief Armand La Barge says there is no history of racial conflict between the two boys who fought.
A schoolboy slugfest that became an international feel-good story about bullying, racism and fighting back is actually a schoolboy slugfest.
This was the conclusion announced yesterday by York Regional Police, which investigated an April altercation involving two students, one of them a Korean-Canadian who used tae kwon do to break the nose of a fellow 15-year-old after he issued a racial epithet.
"There is no history of racial conflict between them," said Police Chief Armand La Barge, who also dismissed speculation about ongoing bullying as well. "There is no evidence to that effect whatsoever."
The incident at Keswick High School, about 90 kilo-metres northeast of Toronto, led to the expulsion of the so-called "Karate Kid," who faces assault charges. But it also precipitated a walkout of around 400 students, who called for the student's reinstatement. It also drew the enthusiasm of many pundits, including MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, who called it "the best community uprising."
Ultimately, the dramatic event triggered a re-examination of the mini-melee, leading to a series of revisions, rethinking and possible apologies in an area known as the
epicentre of a practice called "nipper-tipping," an epithet used to describe the harassment of Asian-Canadian anglers -- and the subject of several Ontario Human Rights Commission reports.
Chief La Barge told a press conference in Georgina that following a subsequent investigation, he has recommended that Newmarket Crown attorney Paul Tait reconsider the Korean-Canadian's assault charge at a May 13 hearing. "I have asked him to give this serious consideration," he said.
Faulting his own investigators for their initial findings, Chief La Barge explained that the racist comment about Asians did not lead to the April 21 fisticuffs. Instead, he described the incident as a "consensual fight."
According to Chief La Barge, the tension began during a game of speedball, which he described as "physical" and "heated." The gym-class fracas escalated with one boy tripping the Korean-Canadian, leading to some post-game pushing.
As the two helped their gym teacher clean up, the Korean-Canadian boy shoved his adversary, leading his victim to complain, "You need to cut your fingernails."
More pushing, swearing and punching ensued, in the middle of which came the racial slur: "F---ing Chinese."
The white boy threw the first punch, cutting the lip of his foe, a black belt, who responded with his mastery in martial arts, breaking the other boy's nose -- albeit with his weaker hand.
Chief La Barge said both boys have shown great remorse since the fight.
"When he saw how much blood there was, the boy immediately apologized to the other boy and asked if he was OK. He also grabbed towels to help stop the bleeding," Chief La Barge said. "The other boy also apologized for the racial comments he made and for his part in the fight."
Police visited the school the following day, but in Chief La Barge's view, their report "was not as detailed as it should have been," omitting a report from the Korean-Canadian, which arguably led to the school's call for his expulsion from the school and all surrounding schools in the area.
The investigators, he sombrely noted, "discounted the slur."
After much outcry, the school later rescinded the expulsion letter, saying that it was sent "in error."
Detective Alex Lee, who works in York's Hate Crimes Unit, said the new revelations change the nature of the case, which no longer involves a possible hate crime. "Had it started with a slur, things would have been different," he said. |
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1570722 |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
The kid has a black belt, he should have been able to defend himself without breaking the other guy's nose.
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How? A black belt doesn't confer some mystical ability on you to beat bigger and stronger people. If you hold back, you can still wind up getting whipped.
Judo...maybe as there are a number of throws and submission holds taught.
Karate, not so much. |
I'm not saying I agree with it, I think the bully got what he deserved.
However, I think the police would not see it that way.
As for mystical abilities...ever hear of pressure points, using the attacker's
own force to flip him or get him in an arm lock of some sort?
I suppose it depends what kind of black belt though. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Look up one post. It was a shoving match that went too far. No bullying.
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| "There is no history of racial conflict between them," said Police Chief Armand La Barge, who also dismissed speculation about ongoing bullying as well. "There is no evidence to that effect whatsoever." |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If these were adults fighting then the person breaking a nose could be charged with bodily harm (punishable by up to seven years in gaol) or even GBH (grievous bodily harm - 14 years) |
14 years in jail is a ridiculously excessive punishment for a simple fistfight.
What it does is create a system where it is legal to verbally abuse, insult and provoke someone but it is illegal for the victim to defend themselves.
In Korea, apparently someone is legally allowed to call my girlfriend or wife a traitorous *beep*, but if I retaliate then I stand to either pay out my life savings to the idiot or go to jail.
Cases of physical violence should be judged on the basis of who initiated/provoked the fight and nothing more. |
If someone calls your wife something, why is it so hard to retaliate with words instead of violence? The fact that you would seriously call yourself a victim who needs to defend himself by means of physical assault because someone said something mean to you makes you sound like just the sort of person these laws were created to protect the rest of us from. |
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