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[Gopher]

Bacasper: why not discuss those who actually perpetrated the coup? Why so stubbornly against doing that?

[bacasper]

Gopher: the reason is that I can have little or no influence on Chilean affairs; they don't really affect me.

I am more concerned with what my own country does. I am not coming at it from the strictly historical perspective you seem to be doing.

When I see my country engaging in activity with which I take issue, I criticize her in an attempt to make her better. Earlier you were asking about the definition of "democracy." Well, isn't that the epitome of it and free speech?

I am not that well-versed in Chilean history, but I'm always interested in learning new things, so I am all ears.

[Gopher]

Then what you get is permanent entrapment within the world according to Washington, an isolationist world, a world that knows little or nothing of the rest of the world except as it helps one partisan side attack the other via ignorant but sensational historical discussions.

When you say you are concerned with what your own country does abroad, then you need to make damn sure you understand exactly what it has (and has not) done abroad. This means you need to look abroad.

People like Kornbluh can tell you nothing about this, however. First, like you, they have no interest in Chilean history. Second, probably like you, they do not speak the language and cannot look at anything there, even if they were interested.

This is the base of information upon which you stand. Are you sure you are comfortable with it?

[bacasper]

Para su informaci�n, hablo espa�ol perfectamente bien. He vivido y viajado en varios pa�ses de Latinoamerica.

Not sure exactly what you are getting at here. I know more than most people about the world, but I am not about to embark on yet another degree program to gain a better understanding of something of only moderate interest. I have other priorities. As the information comes my way, I will assimilate it.

[Gopher]

I have a hard time believing that. You claim to have lived in several countries there. But on the other hand you seem to know or care to know little or nothing about the region and its political history -- except, as I have seen demonstrated here, the far left's mostly unsubstantiated, but allegation-driven master-narrative of that which an active Washington did to a passive Latin America.

This has become yet another pointless discussion and failed exchange. Brick walls come to mind.

Keep "assimilating" or whatever it is that you think you are doing. And good luck.

[bacasper]

Where are you getting this idea that if one goes anywhere, that one has to be an expert on its history and politics?

And keep up the misattributions to me and American apologism. It works well for you.

Incredible. You admit the American involvement, I show you the raw documents, and you still want to claim she was an innocent bystander.



Why don't we just agree that you be the historian, and I the concerned citizen?

Continue to talk more about the coup if you like. I have little more to add.

[mises]

Enrique Ortez Colindres, the new foreign minister of Honduras:

"He negociado con maricones, prostitutas, con ��ngaras (izquierdistas), negros, blancos. Ese es mi trabajo, yo estudi� eso. No tengo prejuicios raciales, me gusta el negrito del batey que est� presidiendo los Estados Unidos."

Translation here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/8/751242/-Honduras:-El-negrito-del-batey

[Gopher]

I do not know what your translation says, Mises. But here is mine:

"I have negotiated with fags, prostitutes, with leftists, blacks, whites. That is my job; I studied it. I am not a racist; I like the little "batey" [?] black who is president of the United States."

[mises]

[Gopher]

Whoever translated your version watered it down.

Raro = queer

Maric�n = fag

Yes, many if not most Latin Americans remain that harsh when talking about homosexuality and homosexuals. People who romanticize them completely miss that.

[mises]

My translation came from a wise Latina woman. I think it's a hate crime to criticize her work.

[Gopher]