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oskinny1
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djsmnc
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| Chick tracts are also very fundamentalist in nature. Jack Chick is a moniker for a dude who lives in complete obscurity. There are no known photographs of him. Look him up on Wikipedia. Strange that so many of his books are out there though they amount to little more than borderline hate speech. I wonder how many people eat that sh*t up. Western Christianity has become quite a mess since 1054. |
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Bloopity Bloop
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manlyboy
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Christian fundamentalist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the stories in the Bible are literally true".
Atheist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no god".
You are both liars. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| manlyboy wrote: |
Christian fundamentalist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the stories in the Bible are literally true".
Atheist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no god".
You are both liars. |
Well, a liar is someone who knows the truth but tells otherwise. Perhaps you mean to say "you are both mistaken".
Anyway, Manlyboy, one can say with certainty that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God does not exist. Not only is there an absence of compelling evidence; there is a large body of hard evidence to the contrary.
But, like I've already said, a theist can always invent a god consistent with any data. This is the very sine qua non of the malady. And I haven't the patience for a debate with a believer, anyway. Debating a believer is like trying to blow out those candles on a birthday cake that re-light themselves - literally a waste of breath. |
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manlyboy
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No, I meant "liar".
I tell atheists and fundamentalists this because
a) It infuriates them, and
b) It's true |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| It doesn't infuriate me. I just don't like to see adult native speakers of English clearly misunderstand the meanings of basic English words. |
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manlyboy
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| It doesn't infuriate me. I just don't like to see adult native speakers of English clearly misunderstand the meanings of basic English words. |
You're right.
That response is more a case of passive-aggressive denial than fury. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| A believer with an attitude, I see. Don't burn me at the stake, friendo. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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Scientifically, it has never been demonstrated that life naturally evolves from matter. It is therefore not unreasonable to assume that all life and matter originate from Supreme Life - the Original Person or God.
Every religion has some conception of God. Some conceptions may be more correct than others, but they all refer to the same Supreme Being.
Due to materialistic sectarianism and politics fueled naturally by the modes of passion and ignorance there have been many conflicts, but that's not the fault of essential religious teachings.
As organizations, Christianity and the Muslim religion probably have the worst record for offending/attacking followers of other faiths - especially in India.
However, their offenses are dwarfed by all the heinous deeds and political murders perpetrated by avowedly atheistic world leaders and their ruthless henchmen (eg: Maoists, Stalinists ...)
And it's neither Christians nor Muslims who are seriously threatening to inundate South Korea in a "sea of fire" ... |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| A believer with an attitude, I see. Don't burn me at the stake, friendo. |
These messages reek of Spinoza/Justin Hale/I think that's all
Getting bored back on the island are we? Well, that is if you are who I call you out as. Funny response though  |
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AgDragon01
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Scientifically, it has never been demonstrated that life naturally evolves from matter. It is therefore not unreasonable to assume that all life and matter originate from Supreme Life - the Original Person or God. |
http://www.wired.com/search?query=origin+of+life&siteAlias=all&x=0&y=0
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| Every religion has some conception of God. Some conceptions may be more correct than others, but they all refer to the same Supreme Being. |
No, they really don't. The Hindu conception of the Supreme Being is very different from that of the Christian one. In Buddhism, gods don't even matter - they themselves can be put on the path to Nirvana. Someone even asked him if there was a supreme creator being - his response was basically that it wasn't a question worth worrying about. |
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AgDragon01
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| manlyboy wrote: |
Christian fundamentalist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the stories in the Bible are literally true".
Atheist: "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no god".
You are both liars. |
That's not an accurate portrayal of atheism. Get your definitions straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism |
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weebil
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lol atheists.
anyways, buddhism is pretty cool i guess. |
Sure. the whole point of being born is to achieve non existence.... |
yeah that isn't really what i was talking about, but whatever. |
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Rteacher
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I think my assertion -"it's never been demonstrated that life evolves naturally from matter" - is still basically true.
Consciousness has been demonstrated to control matter; and, arguably, pure consciousness is the essence of life and is not produced by any material arrangement.
Scientists - by dint of their own finite consciousness - may be able to imitate nature and synthesize some chemical arrangement they dubiously define as "life", but their experimental research work itself is the product of conscious intelligent design.
The conception of God as being the infinitely conscious, unlimitedly intelligent personal source of all material and spiritual energies implies that all evolutionary processes are under His control and are specifically arranged for various purposes.
Due to religious prejudice/materialistic bias, scientists often ignore the implication of "specified complexity" found in nature.
http://krishnascience.com/News/?cat=1
Here's an earlier article on point but a little dated ...
http://krishnascience.com/2_Failed_Demonstrations_1.html |
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