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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: |
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K pop is not popular in the west.
K pop is popular in other Asian countries
Korean authors are not popular in the west
Are Korean authors popular in other Asian countries? |
I started listening to Yes's great songs way before I could understand what they were singing about. But.... |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand your answer.
Are Korean authors only popular in Korean or do they have a following in other Asian countries?
I'm assuming that they would be translated if that's what you're getting at.  |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| matko wrote: |
I don't understand your answer.
Are Korean authors only popular in Korean or do they have a following in other Asian countries?
I'm assuming that they would be translated if that's what you're getting at. |
Of course they are only popular in Korean. I doubt there are enough people from other Asian countries speaking Korean fluently enough to translate them. Maybe judging from recent trend in watching Korean films and TV dramas and the fact that more people are learning Korean could lead them to be interested in Korean literature. Who knows? |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| indiercj wrote: |
| matko wrote: |
I don't understand your answer.
Are Korean authors only popular in Korean or do they have a following in other Asian countries?
I'm assuming that they would be translated if that's what you're getting at. |
Of course they are only popular in Korean. I doubt there are enough people from other Asian countries speaking Korean fluently enough to translate them. Maybe judging from recent trend in watching Korean films and TV dramas and the fact that more people are learning Korean could lead them to be interested in Korean literature. Who knows? |
I should have wrote 'popular in Korea' and not Korean.
All it takes is one person to translate a copy into, for example, Japanese.
I am sure many Korean books have been translated into other languages, no?
Do they have a following abroad? I think most countries can claim to have authors who are popular in other countries that do not share the same language. I am curious who those Korean authors are and in what countries are they popular? |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Define great.
I don't think Jackson Pollock is so great. But many people have heard of him. In fact, he's downright famous.
But he isn't so great.
In fact, he sucks.
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I didn't know Jackson Pollock wrote books! He's a good painter though. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I used to work with my dad whose a carpenter. One time we were painting the inside of a room. Naturally we put a "drop cloth" down to protect the floor from paint. We were using three colors, the walls, mouldings, and ceiling. At the end of the day the drop cloth was pretty much covered in paint. One of the walls still had a hole in it from some electrical work, so we pinned up the drop cloth, just for the night, to stop the draft. The person we were working for was an art collector, and when she came home for the night and saw the drop cloth on the wall she just about feinted. I said "What's the matter?" And she said "What are you doing with a Jackson Pollock on the wall? Do you want to sell it? I'll offer you $20 000!"
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I used to work with my dad whose a carpenter. One time we were painting the inside of a room. Naturally we put a "drop cloth" down to protect the floor from paint. We were using three colors, the walls, mouldings, and ceiling. At the end of the day the drop cloth was pretty much covered in paint. One of the walls still had a hole in it from some electrical work, so we pinned up the drop cloth, just for the night, to stop the draft. The person we were working for was an art collector, and when she came home for the night and saw the drop cloth on the wall she just about feinted. I said "What's the matter?" And she said "What are you doing with a Jackson Pollock on the wall? Do you want to sell it? I'll offer you $20 000!"
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You know why? Because artists like Pollock have the skills of 3 year old kids, or in this case, a carpenter. In other words, people can do what Pollock did by sheer accident. Pollock sucked. |
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tsgarp
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| indiercj wrote: |
| matko wrote: |
K pop is not popular in the west.
K pop is popular in other Asian countries
Korean authors are not popular in the west
Are Korean authors popular in other Asian countries? |
I started listening to Yes's great songs way before I could understand what they were singing about. But.... |
It's been over twenty years and I still don't understand what Yes is singing about.
A good Korean book translated into English "Our Twisted Hero", it examines the willingness of the people to follow a dictator like Park Jung Hee by contrasting it with a story about High school boys dealing with a bully. The Bully is brutal but oddly fair in his own way and keeps order.He also keeps other bullies from town form picking on his schoolmates. The wistful ending, however, reflects the author's own pessimism as he realizes the corrupt often are the only ones who can succeed in a society that worships only money and power and that freedom does not equate happiness. Lost opportunities and unfulfilled dreams can rob life of the sweetness of liberty. Very melancholy but oddly nostalgic even for people who didn't grow up here. It was recommended to me by one of the first Westerners I met here as a good way to understand a recent but nearly forgotten past. Sometimes you see the buildings and cell phones and forget 25 years ago bananas were a luxury item, most homes couldn't afford regular telephones, and people who lived in modern apartments probably numbered only in the tens of thousands.
It was also made into a pretty good movie. |
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tsgarp
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Since I got PM'ed here are links to "Our Twisted Hero". http://dannyreviews.com/h/Twisted_Hero.html, http://www.persimmon-mag.com/summer2001/bre_sum2001_3.htm, http://www.freshangles.com/xpressions/litbitz/articles/34.html
And an excerpt from the review: Our Twisted Hero is clearly an allegory for Korean politics, for the transition from an arguably benevolent but totalitarian regime to an uncertain democracy. It is never didactic or clumsy, however, and it works as a story of a child at school, without any political background. While the setting is Korean, the individual quandary is universal -- the psychological lure of the strongman and the comfort and security he brings. Our Twisted Hero is short -- more a novella than a novel -- but spare and unadorned and focused; as a study in childhood politics it can stand next to Lord of the Flies.
I was wrong about the high school part. It's elementary school, but I haven't read it since 1996. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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i'm amazed that on a thread about authors, the example of a painter is used to make a point. why is that? in a community of English educators, English lit. majors, and writers, couldn't the example of a writer be found?
sure, there's plenty out there in the way of successful visual artists that could justifiably be criticized. Pollack is just so obviously a pot shot from the mouth of the ignorant.
yet another case of "The Fox and the Grapes".
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......The person we were working for was an art collector, and when she came home for the night and saw the drop cloth on the wall she just about feinted. I said "What's the matter?" And she said "What are you doing with a Jackson Pollock on the wall? Do you want to sell it? I'll offer you $20 000!"
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Your so called collector is non too smart ay?
"Yes, i collect art too. ' just picked up a nice piece at the Howard Johnsons� Art Fair!"
BTW, you once commented that mine was "a damn good painting." I'm going out on a limb here but, do you suppose i might actually KNOW what i'm talking about?
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| You know why? Because artists like Pollock have the skills of 3 year old kids, or in this case, a carpenter. In other words, people can do what Pollock did by sheer accident. Pollock sucked. |
hey Tokki, I just picked up a lovely painting of some dogs playing pool. you'd love it. |
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simulated stereo
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: municipal flat block 18-A Linear North
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree that most Koreans lack imagination especially in their daily lives. I can't say that I ever read a Korean book unless one counts Korean Folktales (which pale compared to others). Not many Korean books are translated into other languages which makes it hard for any Korean author to be well known universally. Great Authors get published in at least a dozen languages (Tolkien,and yes even Rowland to name a few). While not everyone will agree on who should or shouldn't be a great author, I don't believe that there has been a Korean author that has really made the world stand up and take notice. |
Yeah... I've never seen any Korean on the Billboard Top Singles Charts. It's obvious Koreans can't sing. |
neither could milli vanilli. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Ody wrote: |
| tokki wrote: |
| You know why? Because artists like Pollock have the skills of 3 year old kids, or in this case, a carpenter. In other words, people can do what Pollock did by sheer accident. Pollock sucked. |
hey Tokki, I just picked up a lovely painting of some dogs playing pool. you'd love it. |
Oh really? Those paintings have more artistic value than crap like Pollack. Sorry, but splattering paint on canvas is not art. It used to be, when art was art, that artists had to be skilled at their craft. They were paid for their skill, and had to deliver. Over the centuries, great artists gave the world great art. Raphael, da Vinci,Michaelangelo, Goya, etc etc. The came masters like Manet, Rembrandt, Monet, etc. Then in the 20th century, something happened. Art became a huge industry, full of snooty know it all snobs sipping champaigne and theorizing about this and that. Most, 99% knew crap all about anything. To fill the need, there was born the "artist". This guy has no skills, cant paint anything, but he knows how to pander to the scum known as the art critic and to the gullible rich guy wanting to keep up with the latest trend, and who is willing to pay. So we got all kinds of crap, from spattered paint on canvas to piss in a bucket, to 3 stripes on a canvas, etc etc etc. Crap being called art, which has no artistic value. So Ody, go an and wear your beret and yiur goetee and those black turtlenecks and keep thinking you are an artist. Im gonna laugh at you though, and your ilk. |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| You know why? Because artists like Pollock have the skills of 3 year old kids, or in this case, a carpenter. In other words, people can do what Pollock did by sheer accident. Pollock sucked. |
I don't know. A lot of people complain about modern art and say they can do that, why is this artist so famous and making money and I'm not? I've always kind of wondered when I did see say a painting of a green square on a yellow background if the artist is somehow communicating to his audience that those who create art don't have to be well-trained, well schooled, or even well-skilled. They just went out and painted.
Maybe the end result looks like "nothing" but I think Pollock's method of painting was really interesting, if not revolutionary. He was well-schooled and probably could have done Monet knock-offs for the rest of his life but chose not to.
Think about a big white canvas in front of you and having all this paint and throwing it around and seeing what happens, what's created in the moment. You could say that maybe the finished product on its own looks nothing like art to you, but certainly, the time and method spent on creating what gets hung on the wall is art itself. I remember in an art class I took in high school, we were given the chance to create our own Pollock-style painting and while OK, I don't remember what I painted, I do remember having a hell of a lot of fun with it.
So I think if you look at his art as saying "anyone can do this," technically, that *is* a good thing, isn't it? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ody wrote: |
| I just picked up a lovely painting of some dogs playing pool. you'd love it. |
That's a classic. Where'd you find it? |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| My brother has a rug painting of dogs playing poker. |
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