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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Man Arrested for Being Naked at Home |
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| What irritates me most about this case is that if it had been a woman naked in her own home, no one would be saying things like, "She wanted to be seen." If you see a woman naked, it's treated as if you somehow violated her, but if you see a man naked, he's somehow violated you? Ridiculous. |
Now there's a darn good point. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The woman should be charged for tresspassing. |
Are you serious? If you heard about a woman walking her child to school being charged with trespassing because she cut across one of your neighbor's yard, and no other details of the story were given, you'd think your neighbor was a nut. |
This case shows why you should never let people trespass. If a neighborhood dog had dug a hole along the path and her son had sprained his ankle, this lady would've likely sued the man, given her propensity for frivolous lawsuits. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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The lesson to be learned here is to build 20 foot walls around your property.
Oh wait, the neighborhood appearances community will sue you for $50,000,000 because you have violated 'Appearance Codes' and lowered the value of their homes to $1. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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So, how can this woman who is trespassing and is a peeping Tom (would that be a peeping Jane), and who contributes to the delinquency of a minor by bringing along her daughter to trespass and peep into the windows of strangers be allowed to make her victim into the guilty party? She trespasses and peeps into a man's window - and then she has the audacity to make the man into the criminal?!
If it were the other way round, with a man and his son trespassing and peeping into a woman's window, the man would be charged.
So, in the US today, the man is always guilty. All men are created sex offenders.
The Government of the United States at all levels has now qualified as a psychotic institution. The Government itself is an insane criminal gang.
Here is the flip side:
A woman sleeps nude and lets her boyfriend's son see her nude, and no criminal charges:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33342938/ns/today-parenting_and_family/
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Hilary Swank: I let boyfriend�s son see me nude
Actress says 6-year-old boy �doesn�t look twice, doesn�t think about it�
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By Michael Inbar
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 11:01 a.m. ET Oct. 16, 2009
Hilary Swank isn�t known for doffing her duds on the big screen. But her revelation that she goes nude in real life � in front of her boyfriend�s 6-year-old son � has sparked such a controversy that it threatens to upstage her bid for a third Oscar: a new biopic about legendary aviatrix Amelia Earhart.
Yet Swank seems nonchalant about the ruckus, telling TODAY�s Meredith Vieira she believes being open about this choice in her personal life may open lines of communication in families.
�I think it�s great that people can talk about things that bring up debate,� Swank told Vieira on TODAY Friday. �I think every family is different, and you have to know what�s right for you and your family.� |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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So, in the US today, the man is always guilty. All men are created sex offenders.
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Every man is a potential rapist. It's true. I learned it in uni.
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| The Government of the United States at all levels has now qualified as a psychotic institution. The Government itself is an insane criminal gang. |
Let's not be unfair here and let Canada or Sweden (where there is an anti-urinal movement) off the hook.
http://www.equityfeminism.com/articles/2000/the-anti-urinal-crowd/
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Now sit, Ingvar, sit. Young women in Sweden, Germany, and Australia have a new cause: They want men to sit down while urinating. This demand comes partly from concerns about hygiene?avoiding the splash factor?but, as Jasper Gerard reports in the English Spectator, �more crucially because a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity, and by extension, degrading women.�
One argument is that if women can�t do it, then men shouldn�t either. Another is that standing upright while relieving oneself is �a nasty macho gesture,� suggestive of male violence. A feminist group at Stockholm University is campaigning to ban all urinals from campus, and one Swedish elementary school has already removed them. In Australia, an Internet survey shows that 17 percent of those polled think men ought to sit, while 70 percent believe they should be allowed to stand. Some Swedish women are pressuring their men to take a stand, so to speak. Yola, a 25-year-old Swedish trainee psychiatrist, says she dumps boyfriends who insist on standing. �What else can I do?� said her new boyfriend, Ingvar, who sits. |
Society is just a big experiment to these creationists. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
If it were the other way round, with a man and his son trespassing and peeping into a woman's window, the man would be charged.
So, in the US today, the man is always guilty. All men are created sex offenders.
The Government of the United States at all levels has now qualified as a psychotic institution. The Government itself is an insane criminal gang.
Here is the flip side:
A woman sleeps nude and lets her boyfriend's son see her nude, and no criminal charges: |
This double standard is part and parcel of the same emasculation going hand in hand with the ratcheting up of political repression necessary to maintain order at a time when greater masses of people are becoming unhappier by the day with current social and economic realities.
As most of us older folk realize, a child sex abuse witch hunt has been ongoing in the country for some 30-odd years now. "The Political Use and Abuse of the 'Pedophile'� appeared in the October 2008 Journal of Homosexuality. From the abstract:
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| The �pedophile� is discovered to be a �social construct that floats in the thin air of fantasy.� Since the truth-value of the construct �pedophile� approaches zero, we are confronted with the question of why he continues to be such a central and emotionally fraught aspect of American culture. The answer to this question is found in his political usefulness. Specifically, the religious right uses him to further its agenda of sexual repression, and the political right uses him to dismantle the machinery of a free society. |
It is astounding to note the proportion of people who make no connection between sexual repression and the assault on freedom.
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| The regulation of sexuality is the gateway into both undermining secular democracy, and into using morality as the criterion for governance rather than secular pluralism. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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But it is the man's right to do what he will in his own house. Couldn't they just ask him to close the curtains? |
Thanks - you made my day. I can't stop laughing.... that sums it all up. Civility and common sense no longer exist.
I think the lady should be arrested for a failure to have a sense of humor or at least for failure to uphold the common standards of decency and community - asking before commandeering the cops....
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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I'm from Virginia, so I can tell you that the privacy laws don't apply to your home if you are in plain view of the public. For example, if people can see inside your house from the street, then anything they see is not protected by privacy laws.
There is a reason houses have blinds, shades, and curtains. The naked guy should have used them. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm from Virginia, so I can tell you that the privacy laws don't apply to your home if you are in plain view of the public. For example, if people can see inside your house from the street, then anything they see is not protected by privacy laws.
There is a reason houses have blinds, shades, and curtains. The naked guy should have used them. |
Also, I think it is relevant if the cops believe he deliberately exposed himself(as was stated in one of the articles), regardless of whether or not the people were trespassing.
If a bunch of kids are raiding some guy's backyard garden one Saturday morning, and he goes out and deliberately flashes his Johnson at them, I doubt the guy would get very far with the cops by saying "Hey they shouldn't have been in the garden to begin with!" Maybe the kids CAN be charged with trespassing, but the flasher would likely be charged with indecent exposure as well.
Of course, it remains to be proven if the cops are correct in their assertion that the guy was standing naked in his window with the intention of being seen. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm from Virginia, so I can tell you that the privacy laws don't apply to your home if you are in plain view of the public. For example, if people can see inside your house from the street, then anything they see is not protected by privacy laws.
There is a reason houses have blinds, shades, and curtains. The naked guy should have used them. |
Also, I think it is relevant if the cops believe he deliberately exposed himself(as was stated in one of the articles), regardless of whether or not the people were trespassing. |
Probably true, but given the severity of being consigned to a sex offender registry, it seems like the police should almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the "offender" in cases where one's own home is involved. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Things are ridiculous here in Korea, too.
The school board had to find a new apartment for me because of this sort of foolishness.
The landlord kicked me out because I went outside with no shirt on and frightened all the ladies.
Yet they let daddies bring in their 3-year-old daughters into the 목욕탕's!
One time, there was a 3-year-old girl who was afraid of me because I was a foreigner and because I had a beard.
She didn't even notice my "bleep." |
This is purely due to you being a waeygook, you realise that?
That sucks man, intolerant, xenaphobes.... |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well I agree with the man's right to be naked any time he likes in his own home.
But to be fair I think he should make sure then that his windows are not visible from any nearby public roads / walkways and that if they are visible from such areas he should pull the blinds or close the curtain.
Simple. He has the right to be naked but also bears the responsibility to ensure that no-one else who is not on his propery is subjected to his nakedness.
If they were tresspassing and I agree fully with fox on that issue - he did nothing wrong.
If they were on a public walkway however, he should've had the blinds pulled.
Not that if this was the case the poor bloke deserves the ridicule that any kind of conviction or punishment would entail, as long as it is an isolated incident.... |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Well I agree with the man's right to be naked any time he likes in his own home.
But to be fair I think he should make sure then that his windows are not visible from any nearby public roads / walkways and that if they are visible from such areas he should pull the blinds or close the curtain.
Simple. He has the right to be naked but also bears the responsibility to ensure that no-one else who is not on his propery is subjected to his nakedness. |
Why should those who appreciate beholding the naked body be forced to suffer because of some prudish pedestrians? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Being naked, any time or anywhere, should not be a crime. If you don't want to look, don't look. If very nearly naked people can be on the beach without causing us all trauma, taking that last little bit off isn't going to hurt anyone.
Most people aren't going to walk around naked regardless of the law; clothing is useful and comfortable. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
Being naked, any time or anywhere, should not be a crime. If you don't want to look, don't look. If very nearly naked people can be on the beach without causing us all trauma, taking that last little bit off isn't going to hurt anyone.
Most people aren't going to walk around naked regardless of the law; clothing is useful and comfortable. |
And I must say, my WHAM! T-Shirt is particularly gorgeous! |
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