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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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| Great news. The Koreans can take care of themselves. It's time the U.S. stopped babysitting them. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| it seems like local media outlets have already picked up on what was told to us officials so far. |
They probably read this thread. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| They probably read this thread. |
lol- right?
What I find idiotically ironic is that some posters were fighting me on the issue, saying it was "b-s"~ I guess they wouldn't believe it unless it was on the news- which could also be disputable, especially the Korean media.
One thing that has become abundantly apparent through high-level discussions is that KATUSAs will be left behind to pull rear-detachment detail- meaning, as American soldiers will be deployed to Afghanistan, they will be left in Korea to perform maintenance and clerical work.
I think this piece of news will be seen as positive for the families of KATUSAs serving in USFK and to many posters on this board |
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5600
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Location: At an undisclosed FEMA camp.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| KATUSA will not deploy outside of Korea with US troops. Impossible, they are augmentees for the US military. When 2ID deployed to Iraq in 05 no KATUSA's went with them. Not in the rule book. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| They probably read this thread. |
lol- right?
What I find idiotically ironic is that some posters were fighting me on the issue, saying it was "b-s"~ I guess they wouldn't believe it unless it was on the news- which could also be disputable, especially the Korean media.
If you read the thread, people were saying it was B.S that the Korean troops would be deployed with the U.S military to Afghanistan which was what YOU claimed on page 1 of this thread.
One thing that has become abundantly apparent through high-level discussions is that KATUSAs will be left behind to pull rear-detachment detail- meaning, as American soldiers will be deployed to Afghanistan, they will be left in Korea to perform maintenance and clerical work.
So the posters who disagreed with you were right then.
I think this piece of news will be seen as positive for the families of KATUSAs serving in USFK and to many posters on this board |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Political bias? How?
When a person from the G3 looks at unit strength reports, it says how many soldiers are present with a unit- there is no distinction between who is Korean or who is American. These are what Admiral Mullen looked through during his visit.
The only time a high-ranking officer sees who is who in a unit is when they view manpower data at the Brigade-level.
He made it clear that every member of a deployable unit (both American and KATUSA) would be deployed if they slated to do so by Q3-FY10 (off the record).
A good example of this was when a communications unit from CP Humphreys went on TDY to the Philippines during a training exercise with the AFP, all soldiers assigned to the unit participated with in the 2-week training cycle as well as a unit from Yongsan did during Cobra Gold 09 in Thailand.
As I said, unless a MOU or a Exemption to Policy is sent down from HQ-USFK/CFC/UNC or from HQDA or any other MACOM, it is safe to assume every member of a particular unit will be deployed. |
As per the bolded parts above, people were calling B.S on that. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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When was the last time anyone in the Korean army has seen real combat or gained any combat experience?
You have Generals on down in the Korean Army who probably have never shot at someone before. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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When I attended the senior-level meeting with Admiral Mullen last month and the question was raised, he said that EVERYONE was going to go.
However, this past week when Obama visited, the perameters of the deployment issue were ironed out.
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| When 2ID deployed to Iraq in 05 no KATUSA's went with them. |
However, 2nd BCT-2ID was in the process of being redeployed back to the states to FT Carson. The KATUSAs assigned to the main units and support units were either reassigned to other units within USFK or absorbed back into the ROKA.
However unknown to most, Korean military observers (along with those from other nations) assigned to stateside units were deployed to Iraq during the 06-08, 15-month deployment cycle. They got experience in the deployment process as well as deployment logistics and administration as well as setting up mobile TOCs and coodinating troop rotations for street patrols.
You have to understand that under the KORUS-CFC agreement, Korean soldiers assigned to a particular unit with USFK are under the same laws, regulations and requirements as American soldiers. The only thing different is that KATUSAs have a BN-level LNO who supervises all KATUSAs within his perspective AO.
However, when we met with both President Obama and Secretary Gates, the issue of Korean augmentees being deployed with American soldiers was decided on when President Obama met with President Lee (this was a tiny part of their closed door discussions).
In a nutshell- Korea would deploy police, engineers and medical personnel to Afghanistan in exchange for 2 things from the US;
1. Expedited processing of the already stalled FTA
2. Not to deploy KATUSAs alongside US troops to Afghanistan
You gotta' love diplomacy... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to understand that under the KORUS-CFC agreement, Korean soldiers assigned to a particular unit with USFK are under the same laws, regulations and requirements as American soldiers. The only thing different is that KATUSAs have a BN-level LNO who supervises all KATUSAs within his perspective AO. |
This is patently false. KATUSA soldiers are regulated under Korean military law.
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| However, when we met with both President Obama and Secretary Gates, |
Oh, now he's meeting with the President and the Secretary of Defense!  |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wow- centralcali, such a short stint trying to ignore me.
I guess you can't help yourself.
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| KATUSA soldiers are regulated under Korean military law. |
They follow the same rule and regulations as other members of USFK. But when it comes to discipline, usually the first person to be consulted is the senior KATUSA of a particular unit. If the matter warrants more severe punishment, then it is brought before the ROKA LNO, usually a CSM.
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| ...he's meeting with the President and the Secretary of Defense! |
Yes. I have been part of many high-level meetings since taking charge of the agency I am director of.
I've met many high-level officials- part of my job is to brief them on things that are going on at the agency-level. Pretty much the same briefings I give General Sharp and Lieutenant General Fil every week.
I have a question, I am a little fuzzy on administrative issues and since you were a retired admin clerk, I might as well ask you- what form do you submit to BDE when you submit a TSC-SITREP report and which section of BDE do you send it? |
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