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Reggie
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| It has a lot more to do with America's desperation and dependence on foreign creditors in 2009 and 2010 than anything that happened in 1945. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama is a president who has been apologizing for America's so called past misdeeds all over the planet. If you don't think that discussions about apologizing for the atomic bomb blast were held you are very naive. |
IMHO, Obama should offer a public apology for Nagasaki. |
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steveinincheon
Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Location: in The Shadows of Gyeyangsan
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Who cares if he bowed to the emperor. The emperor's role is largely ceremonial, and what difference does it make if Obama follows traditional pomp and circumstance. American presidents' interactions with foreign monarchs often come under scrutiny. Both Carter and W. were criticized for not following protocol with QE2. Now Obama is being criticized for following traditional protocol in Japan. The bigger issue is what occurs in negotiations with leaders - which has been less than stellar this trip. |
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beck's
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Kuros. Before the drop on Hiroshima the Japanese were told that the US had a superior weapon capable of mass destruction. They refused to unconditionally surrender.
After the Hiroshima drop the Japanese high command voted to continue the war even though they knew, without a shadow of a doubt, the power of the atomic bomb.
Even after the Nagasaki bomb drop the Japanese high command were tied in a vote as to whether or not they should unconditionally surrender.
The emperor broke the tie and Japan surrendered.
What is there to apologize for? The Japanese were given every chance to surrender. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Personally, the whole thing strikes me as just an attempt to detract from what, if anything, Obama accomplished in Japan. |
Compared to the $1 trillion deficit the guy is running this year, the bowing is really, really a slight issue for me. |
Oh, bah! A penny here, a billion there... As I've said since the 70's, your generation is going to have races with each other to see how fast you can run granny into the gas chamber to save yourselves a few bucks. The really depressing legacy us Boomers are leaving the world is you guys. You are an extremely powerful argument against progressive evolution. It may be time to reconsider the ancient Greek idea of devolution.  |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| If Obama doesn't bow to our biggest lenders and they stop lending us money, what would that do to our ability to finance the the welfare state, the corporate bailouts, the US military and the rest of the 1/3 of American workers who are government employees? |
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Hater Depot
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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This is why I complain so much about our policies. I'm not happy about Obama bowing to all of these foreign leaders, but we Americans can no longer fund our own budgets and they're our lenders. This is the result, with the end result being the eventual collapse of our economy when the Chinese or Japanese decide not to lend to us or become unable to do so because of their own economic problems.
By 2012, our reliance on the Japanese, Chinese, and Saudis to buy our Treasuries will be so enormous, we'll have no choice but to elect Palin and send her over to get us some money any which way she can.  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Kuros. Before the drop on Hiroshima the Japanese were told that the US had a superior weapon capable of mass destruction. They refused to unconditionally surrender.
After the Hiroshima drop the Japanese high command voted to continue the war even though they knew, without a shadow of a doubt, the power of the atomic bomb.
Even after the Nagasaki bomb drop the Japanese high command were tied in a vote as to whether or not they should unconditionally surrender.
The emperor broke the tie and Japan surrendered.
What is there to apologize for? The Japanese were given every chance to surrender. |
How about for dropping the bomb on tens of thousands of children walking to school that day?
Instead of just telling the emperor about the bomb, tehy should have shown him one of those detonations in the Mojave desert. That would have done it. |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Mr. Casper they should have dropped it on New York City as a demonstration of its power.
War is not a compassionate activity. The sooner we get over that notion the sooner our enemies will not attack us with such enthusiasm. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Mr. Casper they should have dropped it on New York City as a demonstration of its power.
War is not a compassionate activity. The sooner we get over that notion the sooner our enemies will not attack us with such enthusiasm. |
Which enemy which has attacked us do you think would have been deterred if only we were less compassionate? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Mr. Casper they should have dropped it on New York City as a demonstration of its power.
War is not a compassionate activity. The sooner we get over that notion the sooner our enemies will not attack us with such enthusiasm. |
Which enemy which has attacked us do you think would have been deterred if only we were less compassionate? |
Better yet, which enemy has attacked us that you are referring to, Beck? |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| The Islamist Jihadists. 911! That wasn't an attack?? Either of us could wikipedia the attacks on the US before 911 or the plots since thwarted. What a question. You were posting on the old thread about Fort Hood for heaven's sake. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Of course 9/11 was an attack. It was a false flag attack in which, if any "Islamist Jihadists" were involved, they were acting in concert with or at the behest of US intelligence insiders.
See the 9/11 sticky thread. |
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