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On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

NovaKart · Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Location: Iraq

I found out in a class of mine that Tayyip Erdoğan has said that everyone in Turkey should have 3 children. One of my students said this was a good idea because China and India both have huge populations and they can have nuclear weapons and no one can stop them, unlike Iran. Others in the class said it was a bad idea.

daniel-andersson · Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Location: Seoul (but from Sweden)

There is a big difference in the opinions between the member countries. Many people were against Romania and Bulgaria to join as well. It didn�t stop them to join. Turkey has been a candidate for a long time but there are still several points which still need to be done for them to join. The situation in Cyprus is one important example. I don�t see any problems for Turkey to join if they can fulfill all the 35 criteria which are made for an invited country to join European Union. They are already part the EU customs union and many of the other criteria�s have been solved. The cultural factors will indeed make it a bit harder for them to join but not be a reason for EU to deny them to finally join.

I am btw active in the Board of European Students of Technology and we have accepted groups in Istanbul as well as Ankara. As written in the original post the younger generation is more open to open the boarders of Europe. I have been in Tukey twice the last three years. I am surprised how fast the European Union recently has expanded and how the countries in Europe are becoming more united. Soon the Schengen agreement as well as the Lisbon agreement will be official in most of the European countries.

The effects of this will be many. As for me who likes to travel, low fare airlines such as EasyJet, Ryanair and Wizzair will for example soon probably announce that they will open routes to Serbia etc. Within a week we should be able to hear some good news.

/Daniel

Adventurer · Joined: 28 Jan 2006

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Thursday, November 26, 2009
STRASBOURG � Anatolia News Agency

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt. AFP photo

European Union term President Carl Bildt on Wednesday asked those opposing Turkish membership to the EU: "Did the enlargements to date take place because the public wanted them?"

Participating in a debate on the future enlargement of the EU at the European Parliament, the Swedish foreign minister made comments to oppose those against Turkish membership and those who wanted to end the membership negotiations with Turkey and offer Turkey a privileged partnership instead of full membership.

Far-right deputies are against Turkish membership in the EU because of its large, Muslim-majority population, Bildt said. The Treaty of Amsterdam and Article 49 do not allow for exceptions for big countries, he said, adding that the treaty also has no religious criteria.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?msg=commentsaved&n=1125205549347-2009-11-26

Adventurer · Joined: 28 Jan 2006

I agree with Daniel that Turkey needs to make some progress on the Cyprus issue. It should consider at some point for good will from Greek Cyprus so that Turkey would open its ports. The EU should be willing to give something to Turkey in exchange since it did promise the Turkish Cypriots somethings, but didn't deliver when they worked hard for a solution. Still, Turkey should open up its ports.

Turkey has made progress on the Kurdish issue. Signs in the East are being constructed for towns in both Turkish and Kurdish. Even 10 years ago this notion would have been unthinkable culturally. That means there has been some cultural changes. The new generation of Turks will grow up with the idea that it's normal for the Kurds to have cultural rights, to have more freedom of expression.

Turkey has to full the 35 points of criteria. Once it has done that, then it can be admitted. The more changes it makes, the more it will fulfill that.
It's hard to make those changes in the beginning.

I am not sure how they can resolve the Cyprus issue without some compromise from the Greeks, and Greeks can be just as stubborn as Turks.

ytuque · Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

http://www.aina.org/news/20091129124643.htm

Adventurer · Joined: 28 Jan 2006

rocket_scientist · Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Location: Prague

The Turks need to leave Germany, create a Turkey where Germans would want to emigrare to Turkey where the Germans get jobs and social welfare benefits to the monetary degree that the Turks get in Germany. That is a gross increase in material wealth. If a Turk gets a 300% increase in the standard of living by moving to Germany, Germans should get the same.

Turks blackmailed the Germans into staying in Germany by saying "If you try to deport us, we will scream Auschwitz at the top of their lungs just to embarrass you".

The Turks were offered honest jobs at good wages after the war. They vigorusly abused a sensitive situation like no one else.

I can't blame the Germans for the negative attitude. How will the Turks behave when they are issued EU-equality? Much worse I believe.

NovaKart · Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Location: Iraq

During the time of the Ottoman Empire there was a huge number of Christians and Jews living in Turkey. I don't just mean within the Ottoman Empire, but within the modern borders of Turkey as well. Then, the Armenians were killed, the Greeks left and I believe around 98% of Turkey's population is Muslim. There's just a small number of Greeks and Armenians in Istanbul, some Assyrian Christians in the southeast and a few tiny pockets elsewhere. I think there's a very small number of Jews in Istanbul too.

On the national ID card in Turkey it lists religion. It doesn't list ethnicity so it's difficult to say how many Kurds there are, but it does list religion. Of course, people could likely tell by the name anyway. I have an Armenian friend in Istanbul whose sister tried to get a job at a store and they told her they didn't want to hire a Christian. At least it's not as bad as the days when there were riots against Greeks in Istanbul.

Actually this prejudice mostly has to do with ethnic problems, tension with Greeks and Armenians. I'm not aware of any political problems with the Assyrians but another poster said that this was due to a conspiracy against the Ak party.

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

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Reggie · Joined: 21 Sep 2009

The Turks in Germany are well-off because of Americans, not Germans. Germany was rebuilt with American money and Turkish labor. If the Germans are that arrogant, I wish my grandparents and other Americans could've kept their money and let the Germans sit in their pile of rubble.

Of course, the American economy is being propped up by a Marshall Plan of sorts in the form of Chinese loans that we'll never repay, so I guess we're no better. Laughing

rocket_scientist · Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Location: Prague

So Reggie, every time someone is hired to perform a service, the employer must surrender the item to the servicer? Do the English teachers in Korea then own the the students they teach?

If its a matter of reimbursement, I'm sure the Germans would gladly pay off the USA just to have the Turks leave and then they would leave. That is the case, right?

There were many agreements signed after the war, the Turks remaining in Germany was not one of them. Why all the sneaking around on the matter?

The Germans have met every obligation put to them by the Allies, it looks like the the Allies are the ones that are balking on their obligations.