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buddy bradley
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The Beyond
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| Do most Koreans realize that it's even possible to be a WHITE African? |
No. That's why I sometimes feel like I'm on a mission, although this time it's not the 'hard' stuff. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| great name! that expresses my feelings about korea exactly. |
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Hongje-dong Joe
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Just because ignorance is internationally broadcasted daes not mean that it gives the world the authority to call me or any of my friends, famill and enimies a N****. Sure Biggie or Jay Z said it but guess what world! THERE ARE MORE PROFESSIONS THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE THAN BEING A RAPPER! They are not our culture ambassators. I don't care for the word and I don't use it.
Next, I'm sick of people making the "they don't know it's offensive" excuse. How can painting yourself black and lampooning not be offensive. |
Right or wrong, like it or not, rappers do act as ambassadors for Black culture. They act as the front line messengers for many people in the US and abroad. They may not represent you personally, but it is the only thing many people see from Black culture. I'm sorry Jw, people in Korea do not (understandably) know about the nuances of American culture. How are they supposed to know about the double standards we have? They can not be expected to know that when black rappers use that word it is okay, but when they say it it is racist. Of course, knowing western culture intimately, I know that because I am not black I can not use that word, but think about yourself in that situation. Put yourself in their situation, trying to speak a foreign language. I am sure most Koreans would not use that word again if you told them it is really offensive. |
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JackSarang
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well you talk about that like its a thing of the past Homer. Unfortunately East Asians, particularly the Japanese, are still commonly ridiculed in English speaking media. Some stupid gameshow on cable in the UK actually, where the host, a white Englishman, dresses in a kimono, puts false big teeth in his mouth to impede his speech, and wears thick glasses to make himself look all pervy and stupid. The show has some 'Japanese' theme. All racial stereotyping is stupid, but its not exclusively Korean, as we so consistently need to point out. |
Except only not. The show is called "Bonzai" and the two asian hosts are 100% Japanese. The only white folk on the show are the guests that the two hosts lampoon or play jokes on in some way. Like "Mr. Handshake Man" or the the guy who has to guess which white guy stuffs his underwear with a sock. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Right or wrong, like it or not, rappers do act as ambassadors for Black culture. They act as the front line messengers for many people in the US and abroad. They may not represent you personally, but it is the only thing many people see from Black culture. I'm sorry Jw, people in Korea do not (understandably) know about the nuances of American culture. How are they supposed to know about the double standards we have? They can not be expected to know that when black rappers use that word it is okay, but when they say it it is racist. Of course, knowing western culture intimately, I know that because I am not black I can not use that word, but think about yourself in that situation. Put yourself in their situation, trying to speak a foreign language. I am sure most Koreans would not use that word again if you told them it is really offensive.
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Correct. I can understand the concept of "taking back" certain derogatroy words as a form of empowerment. But if black cultural figures are going to use the wrod "n-gger" as a term of affection, than they have to accpet the fact that people not hip to the nuance are going to think it appropriate as well. If blacks don't want people to use the term, then they themselves should forego using it and find another way to empower themselves.
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| Next, I'm sick of people making the "they don't know it's offensive" excuse. How can painting yourself black and lampooning not be offensive. |
I've seen western comics do black face within the last 15 years, like on SNL and SCTV re-runs. And Spike Lee did BAMBOOZLED just a couple of years ago. Now, in these skits the point is to lampoon black face itself and the racist ideas behind the genre. But, as Hongje Dong Joe points out, most people in East Asia would not pick up on that particular aspect of the skit., and what are they supposed to think when they see a black actor in a scene with a blackfaced white actor(that's from an old SNL skit). As with "n-gger", if westerners don't want the world to think that blackface is okay, the only solution is to not employ it for any reason at all, even as anti-racist satire.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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I'll be getting into trouble with my director soon. I had to set 2 kids straight today, while conducting a geography lesson.
Brat 1: "China is dirty".
Me: "But Korea is dirtier (Used comparative adjective). There is trash everywhere. Korea is very dirty".
Brat#2: "Africa is bad country. Bad people. Haha (mimes playing bongos)"
Me: "Africa is beautiful. It has more beautiful people. Better people than Koreans". All superlative forms used).
I'm looking forward to explaining that to Mr. cockroach wonjangnim. And I will, too. |
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JW
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Hongje-dong Joe wrote: |
I'm sorry Jw, people in Korea do not (understandably) know about the nuances of American culture. How are they supposed to know about the double standards we have? They can not be expected to know that when black rappers use that word it is okay, but when they say it it is racist. Of course, knowing western culture intimately, I know that because I am not black I can not use that word, but think about yourself in that situation. Put yourself in their situation, trying to speak a foreign language. I am sure most Koreans would not use that word again if you told them it is really offensive. |
Sure, they can learn after I tell them that it's offensive. Each time a friend of mine(Korean) said it to me, it was out of affection. I told them about it and we moved on. I don't think, however, that them being ignorant to the "double standard" that exists in the west is a good explanation for what is happening when the black face is applied or the general disrespect and disregard blacks face when entering Korea. Actually not just blacks...many other groups who've been deemed as less than worthy. Basically, my point was that the racist practices of the west have found their way here. The preference to the white skinned westerner is not, in my opinion, a happenstance. As far as speaking another language...The Bubble Sisters' ads were in Korean. Not English. The TV show was also in Korean. |
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