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New Engagement Wave - (gender equality)
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hellakitty



Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Location: Variable

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I got slammed! If you actually read my post you would have noticed that I said I would buy something for my man if I thought he would like it. I also never "put a price" on myself, but to me money has always just been money and you only live once. Sure there are better ways it could be spent, but I believe in the symbolism of a ring and I am entitled to that opinion. Relax, people!
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're trolling, pay them no heed.
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't care if I got a ring, although having something to symbolize the engagement would have been nice, like a vintage locket. However, my fiance got me a ring because he wanted us to have something to pass down to our kids. We have been together for over 4 years, and have been talking about getting married for about 3 years.

The ring, for us, really symbolized our seriousness about getting married to our families. They were SO SHOCKED when he gave it to me, and I was stunned: we lived together for 3 years, went back and forth to Korea together, have been talking about getting married, and where our honeymoon would be. It took him giving me a ring to let everyone know we were "serious." Ridiculous.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
They're trolling, pay them no heed.


While they maybe insulting, they are not trolling. They really believe what they do.

IMHO, if you want to spend your money on a fancy wedding, expensive rings and watches, exotic foods, etc. - it's your business and no one else's. It's your hard earned money, you're not doing anything illegal or particularly immoral - you should be allowed to spend it as you please. While some people may think you're wasting your money, if it's what makes you happy then you who cares what you do.

I went to a friend's birthday party he threw for his one year old daughter. I estimated that he spent some $7,000 for that party. While I may think it's a waste, my opinion doesn't matter. It's his money - he should be free to do what he wants with it.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellakitty wrote:


I would never, ever accept a proposal without a ring, because quite frankly I am worth a hell of a lot more than $5,000.


I didn't mean to slam you, but I'm still very creeped out by thinking of what someone's worth in terms of dollars - I have the same reaction to life insurance policies though.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasnt trolling. I do agree that people may spend their money any way they want, and people may also not spend their money any way they want (shiny rocks on fingers).
Hellakitty wrote that she would never accept a man's proposal for marriage without a ring, and that she is worth more than 5000 bucks. To me people who need and are mesmerized by shiny baubles are very shallow. What if her soulmate was poor or needed that money for something else. Would she turn down a great guy who she would have a happy life with just because she didnt get an expensive diamond? What if the guy forgot the ring in the car during his proposal, would she say " Yes, I will marry you, but first I gotta see that ring. Go get it." Greedy and shallow.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
hellakitty wrote:


I would never, ever accept a proposal without a ring, because quite frankly I am worth a hell of a lot more than $5,000.


I didn't mean to slam you, but I'm still very creeped out by thinking of what someone's worth in terms of dollars - I have the same reaction to life insurance policies though.


Life insurance isnt about what people are worth, its about how much money your family neeeds to continue financially without you. Wrongful death lawsuits on the other hand.....
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 dollah, I give you 5 dollah for wing. I give you 5 dollah.
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kiknkorea



Joined: 16 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get the ring.

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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MollyBloom wrote:

The ring, for us, really symbolized our seriousness about getting married to our families. They were SO SHOCKED when he gave it to me, and I was stunned: we lived together for 3 years, went back and forth to Korea together, have been talking about getting married, and where our honeymoon would be. It took him giving me a ring to let everyone know we were "serious." Ridiculous.


I don't think it's ridiculous at all. The ring is a very important symbol. Without it, everything else is just talk. People can be in happy committed relationships without a ring, but in general you're not on track to getting legally married without one.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the op is dead on! What's with all this "$5,000 is a small investment to marry me," BS? Where's the love for daddy? When my wife and I were talking about getting married, I told her that I wanted her to match me dollar for dollar with a new watch; I buy her a nice ring, she buys me an Omega Speedmaster. Seriously, why do woman feel entitled to receive all this stuff, but don't want to make the effort to give something back to the husband?
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
the op is dead on! What's with all this "$5,000 is a small investment to marry me," BS? Where's the love for daddy? When my wife and I were talking about getting married, I told her that I wanted her to match me dollar for dollar with a new watch; I buy her a nice ring, she buys me an Omega Speedmaster. Seriously, why do woman feel entitled to receive all this stuff, but don't want to make the effort to give something back to the husband?


Well, it's a good thing you didn't pluralize 'woman'. The answer is- not all women do. Some people feel a false sense of entitlement. You don't want to deal with it, easy- don't. Move on and find someone else.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of people, especially men, are jaded and suspicious of the institution of marriage. With divorce rates so high in developed countries and a world that already has more than double the population that this planet can sustain, it's high time we revisited marriage as a "sacrosanct" union. The family courts in North America don't seem to be assuaging the problem either by creating so much acrimony and resentment between families--or what's left of them. Too much of marriage and engagement inevitably revolves around money and self-worth.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I'll ever want to get married, but I think a ring is an expensive waste. But to each his/her own.

Here's someone who doesn't need a ring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCw_UoRhTUk&feature=player_embedded Wink
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hellakitty



Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Location: Variable

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 your elementry level rationalizing and conclusions are plausible but not exceptionally interesting. If I were ever to get married I am sure it is something I will have discussed with my partner before the "proposal", and he will therefore be aware of the importance that I place on recieving an engagment ring that I like. Key word "like". That doesn't mean it has to cost $5000 and it doesn't mean it would necessarily cost $100.

If your reading comprehension skills were better you would understand that my point was that it is the symbolism of the ring that is important to me and not the cost. Money is just money and you can't put a price on any of that stuff. Call me greedy and shallow if you want, but I could also call you cheap ... and stupid. Which I will.
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