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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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 Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| The rule sounds pretty goofy, but for all practical purposes this is pretty much a non-issue. Within the context of a job notice, the words "reliable and hardworking" carry about as much substance as does the word "fine" when someone asks you how your day is going. |
It isn't a non-issue. This dysfunctional egalitarianism enforced by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, social sanctions, hate/thought crime laws and the rest is psychological abuse upon the people.
How far are they going to take it? Already we have the police dealing with (and taking/keeping the DNA of) men who write emails that have words that rhyme like words that upset multi-cult types.
Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that the UK will not next prevent business owners from hiring qualified workers (to the extent business is able to hire qualified workers) by introducing "lazy" quotas? Where does it end? In 100 years, what will the status of civil liberties be in the UK? Canada?
Will we finally be equal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHzFWkH0Po |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| This dysfunctional egalitarianism enforced by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, social sanctions, hate/thought crime laws and the rest is psychological abuse upon the people. |
I hope the irony of invoking "psychological abuse" in denouncing a culture of frivolous lawsuits isn't lost on you. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| This dysfunctional egalitarianism enforced by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, social sanctions, hate/thought crime laws and the rest is psychological abuse upon the people. |
I hope the irony of invoking "psychological abuse" in denouncing a culture of frivolous lawsuits isn't lost on you. |
I'll bite: what's the irony? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| How far are they going to take it? Already we have the police dealing with (and taking/keeping the DNA of) men who write emails that have words that rhyme like words that upset multi-cult types. |
And he didn't even write it 
Mises, I am afraid I have to agree with you. I'll have chips with that. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Street Magic wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| This dysfunctional egalitarianism enforced by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, social sanctions, hate/thought crime laws and the rest is psychological abuse upon the people. |
I hope the irony of invoking "psychological abuse" in denouncing a culture of frivolous lawsuits isn't lost on you. |
I'll bite: what's the irony? |
You don't associate "psychological abuse" with frivolous lawsuits? Makes me think of people who sue fast food restaurants for emotional distress ("psychological abuse" and "emotional distress" being airy and subjective claims about stuff that can't really have tangible evidence backing it, making them the ideal choice for people looking to game the system):
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0504-02.htm
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| Bharti's suit seeks unspecified damages for the ''emotional distress'' caused to vegetarians, some of them vegetarian for religious reasons, who thought McDonald's fries were in line with their strong feelings about not eating meat |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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You don't associate "psychological abuse" with frivolous lawsuits? |
Yeah, I do. I just thought you were alluding to some deeper irony that Mises didn't cover.
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This dysfunctional egalitarianism enforced by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, social sanctions, hate/thought crime laws and the rest is psychological abuse upon the people. |
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I hope the irony of invoking "psychological abuse" in denouncing a culture of frivolous lawsuits isn't lost on you. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Nobel Laureate Wole Soyinka lets loose...
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England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims, the Nobel laureate and political activist Wole Soyinka has said in an interview in which he also accused Britain of allowing the existence of "indoctrination schools".
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His overall theme seems to be that he's mad that the US put Nigeria on the terrorist list, when the UK is allegedly the true breeding swamp of Muslim terrorism.
He does seem to have some curious ideas about the Nation Of Islam...
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"I doubt you can have the kind of indoctrination schools in America as you do in the UK," he said. "Besides, there's a large body of American Muslims in the US � the Nation of Islam � which has created a kind of mainstream Muslim institution. The Muslims there are open Muslims, whereas in Europe they tend to go into ghetto schools. "The Nation of Islam provides an antidote in the United States to fundamentalist Islam � which is why individuals from America have to go abroad to find radical teachings."
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I guess if you consider a UFO cult that rips off Freemasonry and preaches that blacks are the master-race to be mainstream Islam, sure. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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The NOI can't be compared to islam proper. It is a uniquely American organization rooted in the uniquely American experience of slavery and racial injustice. The NOI actually does good work in black communities and is, despite all my hatred for that stupid religion, on balance a net-positive organization. I'll go shower now.
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| England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims |
I agree it is a breeding ground. I also agree with his explanation for why it is so (post-colonial et). |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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To repeat what I said in the John Terry thread*, the UK is economically-socialist and socially-conservative. That's another way of saying that it makes the life of the individual an absolute nightmare, with public services outrageously expensive and quality ranging from the merely shabby to the wretched, and the British (understandably) the most miserable people on Earth. Alongside Somalia, Sudan and North Korea, it is quite possibly the worst place in the entire world.
* John Terry, England soccer captain, was fired for having an affair. Apparently, men who have affairs can no longer kick a ball.
Anyway, this sums it up:
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70 percent think that Britain is 'broken,' while 68 percent say that people who play by the rules get a raw deal. The figure that leaps out, however, is that 42 percent of people in Britain would emigrate if they could. That figure represents over 25 million people!
Britain does have its drawbacks, including endemic discomforts such as its appalling weather and even more appalling Guardian columnists, but it is doubtful that these are enough to drive people out of the country. The real reason is probably lack of opportunity. Social mobility has declined under Labour governments, with the chances higher than before that someone born into a social milieu will remain trapped there. Taxation, including income and stealth taxes, act against opportunity and ambition, and the dead hand of bureaucracy stifles innovation and enterprise.
If. . .42 percent do manage to emigrate, they will include all those who might otherwise improve things
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/tax-and-economy/everybody-out%21/ |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| the UK is economically-socialist and socially-conservative |
There was a joke on 30 Rock. Liz Lemon's boyfriend is asked about his politics and he says "fiscal liberal, social conservative". The UK fits, kinda. It is fiscally liberal/corporatist and socially multi-cult/right wing (the merger of a total information state with egalitarian laws). It's a very odd and incoherent polity. It is the worst of everything.
I doubt the Conservatives will be any better. They sure haven't been in Canada. The UKIP is more my cup of tea. The BNP are strongly distasteful and surprisingly socialist (ethno-nationalistically socialist?). I've read that the BNP pulls support from Labour. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jailed over smoking ban
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A former pub landlord yesterday became the first person to be jailed in connection with the smoking ban.
Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.
Two years ago Hogan, who ran two pubs in Bolton, became the first landlord convicted of breaking the law for allowing his customers to routinely light up in his bars.
A judge fined Hogan, of Chorley, Lancashire, �3,000 and ordered him to pay �7,236 in costs after finding him guilty of four charges under the Health Act 2006. |
Six months in prison and more than �10,000 in fines and fees. A bit much, don't you think? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jailed over smoking ban
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A former pub landlord yesterday became the first person to be jailed in connection with the smoking ban.
Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.
Two years ago Hogan, who ran two pubs in Bolton, became the first landlord convicted of breaking the law for allowing his customers to routinely light up in his bars.
A judge fined Hogan, of Chorley, Lancashire, �3,000 and ordered him to pay �7,236 in costs after finding him guilty of four charges under the Health Act 2006. |
Six months in prison and more than �10,000 in fines and fees. A bit much, don't you think? |
10,000 pounds doesn't seem like a lot to me to a business convicted of breaking health code violations. If the fines weren't high, businesses would just ignore the violations and pay the fines.
The 6 months in prison, on the other hand, seems wrong to me. Personally I feel prison should be reserved for people who pose an active danger to those around them. If he refused to pay the fines, the government should simply have seized the money directly, and that should have been that. Putting him in prison doesn't help anyone. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jailed over smoking ban
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A former pub landlord yesterday became the first person to be jailed in connection with the smoking ban.
Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.
Two years ago Hogan, who ran two pubs in Bolton, became the first landlord convicted of breaking the law for allowing his customers to routinely light up in his bars.
A judge fined Hogan, of Chorley, Lancashire, �3,000 and ordered him to pay �7,236 in costs after finding him guilty of four charges under the Health Act 2006. |
Six months in prison and more than �10,000 in fines and fees. A bit much, don't you think? |
Disgusting. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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It seems he was found guilty by a judge only. I think a jury would have been a lot more reluctant to convict him. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Fines for BS like that and government interference in the private sector is a driver for unemployment.
10,000 pounds doesn't sound like a lot until you start wondering how many pints of beer or how many platters of fish and chips he will have to sell to net 10,000 pounds. A fine like that could put some businesses completely under and put all of the people who work there out of a job.
I could make a lot more money if I hired people, but I don't because of the government, their BS fines, their wage laws, regulations, making employers deal with the health care plans and such of employees and so on. Therefore, I do all I can by myself and hire nobody. Other people in my hometown sit around unemployed even though I would like to hire them if it wasn't for the government. The stress is just not worth it to me. |
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