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hockeyguy109



Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Provence wrote:
eamo wrote:

Wrong attitude, IMO. The key to stopping smoking is to condition your brain to absolutely forget about smoking and see yourself as a non-smoker. Taking a drug you probably don't even need won't help that.


I am going to go out on a limb here, but you probably watch a lot of Dr Phil


I've never watched Dr. Phil in my life. Nor Oprah.....nor have I ever read a self-help book of any kind......all the stuff is bull, IMO.......

But I did successfully stop smoking on 1st attempt last April and I'm speaking about what I thought was the key to it working for me.

If you try quitting and you're struggling through each day with big cravings and temptations....then I don't think your attempt will last long........the trick is to see yourself as a lifelong non-smoker......not someone trying to quit.

I reckon all those gums, patches and any other 'substitute' just serve to remind the person quitting that they are someone trying to quit, which puts you in the position of fighting a daily battle. Not good.


I agree. I tried all those patches and gums and it just made me crave cigarettes more. I finally went cold turkey 3 days ago (which is the longest I've gone in the past 4 years) and I'm still going strong. I also hear they have good medications that help, but god only knows what they put in them.

Anybody got a smoke?
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Mint



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hockeyguy just hold on!
All the nicotene has now left your body. You are now a non-smoker. All that's left are the ghosts you made, and screw them, your brain wants you to fail.

I'd go hardcore monk mode right about now: clean the daylights out of your house, get exercise and 8 hours rest, eat only healthy foods, throw away junk you never use, polish your lesson plans, study something, start asking out every woman you see. You started on a good path with quitting, now keep the momentum up and move it into all the areas of your life.
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hockeyguy109



Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mint wrote:
Hockeyguy just hold on!
All the nicotene has now left your body. You are now a non-smoker. All that's left are the ghosts you made, and screw them, your brain wants you to fail.

I'd go hardcore monk mode right about now: clean the daylights out of your house, get exercise and 8 hours rest, eat only healthy foods, throw away junk you never use, polish your lesson plans, study something, start asking out every woman you see. You started on a good path with quitting, now keep the momentum up and move it into all the areas of your life.


Thanks for the words of encouragement. It's hard thinking about going for lunch break and not having a cigarette. Another tip I would say for quitting cigarettes - Find someone else to do it for. I'm doing it for my girlfriend. Before, when I did it for myself, I just said "Screw it."

It puts more pressure on yourself to do it for someone else.
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Mint



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially when that person knows just which shame buttons to push...
You should have her set up incentives for you to reach at certain milestones. Backrub each night
She does something small around the house for you each week
Steak and er, party, each month

Cool
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hockeyguy109



Joined: 22 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mint wrote:
Especially when that person knows just which shame buttons to push...
You should have her set up incentives for you to reach at certain milestones. Backrub each night
She does something small around the house for you each week
Steak and er, party, each month

Cool


Maybe she'd teach some of my classes. Each day without a cigarette is another class per week she teaches....damn, if anyone meets a girl who agrees with that, hold onto her.
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dr. love



Joined: 09 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As reformed smoker myself, I found that the worst thing you could do is quit for another person. As soon as you have an argument or disgreement or any sort of trouble you turn to smoking. If you're going to quit do it for yourself.

Cold Turkey. No Nicotine Replacement or Anti Depressants. Just good old will power. Remember that smoking is a choice.

I quit for 5 years and started again in 2006. This is my second attempt at a smoke free life. I am at four months. easier everyday, but it is always there, lurking at the back of my mind. A truly horrible habit that I wish I had never started.
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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
So what kind of cold symptoms do you guys get? I'm on Day 3 and have been coughing up incredibly bad stuff (especially in the morning with a sore throat). Nicotine withdrawal really sucks.


Ive been coughing up some paint-like substance every morning for about a week, and Ive got a weird throat, if i laugh it makes me cough.
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rusty1983



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im 2 weeks in now and Im still doing well with nicotine gum except Ive been using a bit of nasal snuff when ive been drinking. To be honest its like forming a whole brand-new habit in itself, but it kills any cravings dead.

F*ck knows what that'd do to your nose if you took it over a number of years. Ive read up a bit about it and there has been one recorded occurrence of cancer from using nasal snuff, and that was from some oddball who was putting it in his ear. You do have to take into account how few people actual take nasal snuff though i suppose. I imagine it isnt actually that safe.

My old man used gum to quit and said when he stopped using it after a while he didnt even notice it had gone, but I do agree with what everyone here is saying about making it a daily battle. But I just look at people smoking now and smell it and think - no. You kind of change back to how you were when you were a child, or when you first started smoking and it tasted and smelled rancid. The only time this has changed is when Ive been drinking hence thats the only time Ive really wanted one.

Still though, although my initial burst of energy and enthusiasm has balanced out I still feel much better for not smoking.

I feel more awake, better rested, more focused and more positive in general. Ive got more time to get ready in the morning, dont have to rush around in between classes and can put a few extra activities into my classes which has gone down well (Im the king of the wingers).
Im generally FAR more confident and am getting a better response from people than normal. Im less moody than before, more positive.

My plan over the next few weeks is to up the ante in the exercise stakes and use that good feeling to get me past this humpy part. Like I said this has to be my 5th or 6th time trying and I can see the tricks my mind is playing on me.
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Mint



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel more awake, better rested, more focused and more positive in general. Ive got more time to get ready in the morning, dont have to rush around in between classes and can put a few extra activities into my classes which has gone down well (Im the king of the wingers).
Im generally FAR more confident and am getting a better response from people than normal. Im less moody than before, more positive.


Ooorah! You are starting to finally RELAX.

It's a good ride, and it gets better, just hold on!
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear, Rusty! I'm only 5 days in, but feeling positive. However, I do worry about going to the pub this weekend. Someone recommended the patch. Anyone agree? Never taken it but the gum didn't work for me. I really do enjoy drinking, so I hope this no smoking business doesn't get in the way.
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Mint



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd steer clear of the patch, it's a tease. I've tried twice unsuccesfully to quit with the patch.

Go, have fun! It's really important to not quit drinking when you quit smoking. The only thing you are fighting is your own manipulative mind, so give it the big eff you and buy yourself some shots of top shelf with the 15,000 won you just saved these past 5 days. Just hold strong and drink hard and you'll notice your hangovers are 100% more manageable now that you stopped burning the moisture in your lungs away.
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hockeyguy109



Joined: 22 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, Mint. First shot of whiskey is to you!
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mint wrote:
I'd steer clear of the patch, it's a tease. I've tried twice unsuccesfully to quit with the patch.

Go, have fun! It's really important to not quit drinking when you quit smoking. The only thing you are fighting is your own manipulative mind, so give it the big eff you and buy yourself some shots of top shelf with the 15,000 won you just saved these past 5 days. Just hold strong and drink hard and you'll notice your hangovers are 100% more manageable now that you stopped burning the moisture in your lungs away.



The patch does help some people, although I agree that quitting cold turkey is much better for you. The reason that the patch helps is twofold: one, it allows you to get out of the mental addiction - the act of smoking, while satisfying the physical cravings. Then, if you're smart, you will reduce the nicotine patch strength week by week. I started on 30mg, down to 20mg, and finally down to 10mg. By the end of the first month, you can just stop putting the patch on. For heavy smokers, this helps a LOT when you finally go cold turkey. But yes, it is a tease in a way.

The important thing to remember with the patch is this: once you finally do get off the patch, you've already kicked the mental habit and no longer think about having a smoke right after you eat, or with coffee, etc. The regularity of lighting up that smoke is hopefully gone. That's a good thing.
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rusty1983



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I tried using the patch ages ago I didnt realise the strength of it. I put it on in the morning and was aggitated throughout the day, then all of a sudden in the mid-afternoon it kicked in and I could hardly stand up!!

Drinking is definitely the time when the cravings hit their peak, so be extremely weary. Id say the gum is pretty useful for that. You could use it just when ur drinking? And again, Ive been tackling the drinking problem with nasal snuff and that seems to work!

You cant smoke in the pub now in the UK so thats also helped massively, and when you couple that with the fact that it is pretty freezing at the moment it makes it quite a bit easier I think.

If youre in Korea its gonna be tough, if I were dead serious about quitting I would probably just give the pub a miss for a few weeks!
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corinthian



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got an electric cigarette. Physically, it feels like I quit, plus there's no smoke, no smell, and it's much cheaper in the long run. Never going back.
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