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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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i used to work at clark airbase. the fence was put up back when it was an airbase. it closed. now the area is a special economic zone (kinda like a high end office park w/ manufacturing. upscale homes, golf course and still has the airport. yeah, the fence is still up. the SEZ has security checkpoints open 24/7 to keep the poor out.
no way, no how was the fence erected to contain angeles nightlife. that is done by zoning but not barbed wire.
the girls used to come to clark for the hope of finding a hubby. they worked (hopefully) until they landed their hubby. those days are gone. now they are just economic poor making a way the best they know how. that is tough life and i wouldn't wish it on anyone.
in chats with the girls, it was common for them to reply that thery heard about angles from a family member who returned home "rich" (yes, it is a relative term). |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
thery heard about angles from a family member who returned home "rich" (yes, it is a relative term). |
Exactly the same story for Pattaya. The girls (and their families) see working girls bringing back 'rich' falangs to their villages. Next thing the girl's family has a 4WD, a new concrete house, and she's dripping in gold.
So these poor (Issan) girls are subtely forced from an early age to 'take care' of their families this way (i.e., become prostitutes). Heck, the whole village knows how they get the money - but it's not talked about.
Basically, the Thai government is using Western sex-tourists, and lonely Western men, to provide welfare to a Thai underclass that they are not prepared to provide economic opportunities for. Hierarchical societies suck (no pun intended). |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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The barbed Electrified wire fence in Angeles is meant to keep the ladies in. The fence was constructed after the Clark airbase closed down. Every week at least two bargirls are killed trying to escape. They also have hired thugs with sub machine guns stopping them from escaping. Foreigners have no problem getting in and out the gates most of them travel by taxi.
The Ladies in Pattaya are usually daughters of gambling men who are in debt. The fathers sell them off to loan sharks. Once within the confines of a Go Go bar and a toothless Mama sams who is willing to throw acid in their face to stop them escaping their is little else they can do.
The average lifespan of a bargirl is four to eight years. They will either die od Aids get beaten up by their pimp or lover. The lucky ones marry their way out |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
The barbed Electrified wire fence in Angeles is meant to keep the ladies in. The fence was constructed after the Clark airbase closed down. Every week at least two bargirls are killed trying to escape. They also have hired thugs with sub machine guns stopping them from escaping. Foreigners have no problem getting in and out the gates most of them travel by taxi.
The Ladies in Pattaya are usually daughters of gambling men who are in debt. The fathers sell them off to loan sharks. Once within the confines of a Go Go bar and a toothless Mama sams who is willing to throw acid in their face to stop them escaping their is little else they can do.
The average lifespan of a bargirl is four to eight years. They will either die od Aids get beaten up by their pimp or lover. The lucky ones marry their way out |
Bwah hahahaha
ok.. NOW I get it  |
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teecee
Joined: 18 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: from Korea Times - Call Girl Natalia |
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| Cerberus wrote: |
here's the link:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/182_62246.html
this very short article about ex call girl Natalia's book should effectively shatter the very oft used and tired arguments on the part of some moralists on this forum about how it's never a woman's choice to enter or stay in the world of prostitution. |
Seems like thou doth protest too much man. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
In Pattaya the kidney trade is closly tied to the Sex industry.
At least 90% of the ladies are HIV positive. Particularly on Walking street. |
I hadn't heard about the kidney trade. I suspect this is urban folklore. What does happen though, is Thai girls are regularly kidnapped/duped into being sex slaves in ME or other Asian/European countries. The girls are aware of this and wise ones are very cautious (they always ring their minder when they leave to go with a farang to his hotel).
Satistics say that there are 5,000 registered HIV positive Thais in PATTAYA alone. Aids is the single biggest cause of death for Thais under 50 years old. But saying all the girls on Walking St have aids, I wouldn't have thought so. However, most have claumidia, gonoreha, herpes and the pox virus. The yellow skin (and constant sleepyness) of some shows that some also have hepatitus. |
I know of several old guys who are retired in Pattaya and stiill pretty much pay for it and fairly often. Unless they've learned the fine art of distinguishing between the healthy and the non healthy, they'd have been dead or constantly at the doctor's a long time ago. (because I know one of them doesn't use rubbers for e.g.)
But I'd generally agree that I'd be personally careful fornicating with most of the girls in Pattaya with someone ELSE'e *beep*. |
I know a doctor in Germany at least 50% of AIDS cases in Germany are men returning from trips to Thailand. A large number of them have already infected their wives.
There is a dangerous shortage of available wives in Isarn due to them being kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery. So much so that they are importing wives from Loas.
There are at least two victims of kidney stealing on Walking street every week. This is in Go Go bars alone. If you counted the outdoor beer bars there would be much more.
Bars that do HIV AIDS testing usually have to get rid of at least 20% of there staff every month do to testing positive. This doesn't include outdoor beer bars that don't test and allow bargirls who are HIV positive to work until they drop dead. The use of excesive makeup and the fact that in the early stages the infection is hard to spot also have to be considered
With new advances to HIV drugs these ladies are not only living longer but are infecting more people. The need for the expensive drugs only perpetuates their need to work longer and harder. Anyone playing around this area with or without a condom is just playing Russian Rullet with Their life.
The Russians mafia is taking over too. That will mean things will get much worse |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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If you want to say that women choose prostitution, you can say that. Yes, you can. But whether it's high end or low end, you cannot say that it is a good choice.
Once a woman has made this choice, it may not be so easy for her to get out. She may have put herself into the hands of a trafficker, or she may be supporting her family in Northern Thailand, or she could even be that mythical college educated New York beauty who wanted a lot of money and could supposedly choose to get out at any time, but then how is she supposed to explain the gap in her resume?
The truth is that prostitution is easy to get into, but not so easy to get out of. So, regardless of the how or why a woman gets into it, she will need help to get out. That help may mean counseling, it may mean giving her a job, it may mean a lot of things. It probably means different things for different women. One thing is clear to me....that the use of prostitutes cannot be justified based on whether or not they "chose" their profession. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
If you want to say that women choose prostitution, you can say that. Yes, you can. But whether it's high end or low end, you cannot say that it is a good choice.
Once a woman has made this choice, it may not be so easy for her to get out. She may have put herself into the hands of a trafficker, or she may be supporting her family in Northern Thailand, or she could even be that mythical college educated New York beauty who wanted a lot of money and could supposedly choose to get out at any time, but then how is she supposed to explain the gap in her resume?
The truth is that prostitution is easy to get into, but not so easy to get out of. So, regardless of the how or why a woman gets into it, she will need help to get out. That help may mean counseling, it may mean giving her a job, it may mean a lot of things. It probably means different things for different women. One thing is clear to me....that the use of prostitutes cannot be justified based on whether or not they "chose" their profession. |
I'd agree with your basic premise, with the exception that getting a low end job shouldn't be an issue, no matter what she used to do.
However,
I wasn't aware that people really needed to "justify" it in the first place whether it be the woman herself or her clientele.
as an aside, what would you recommend , cold showers followed by praying the rosary, or telling a drunk woman how much you really "love" her? and otherwise lying to get into her panties? |
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