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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| I really don't know much about computers |
That's all you needed to say, really.
And I haven't lied about anything. I'm not so sad as to lie to complete strangers on the internet about computers!! And please don't use insults in the Tech forum...we have a nice friendly style of debate in this forum and the regulars here try to be nice to each other even if we disagree sometimes.
I really haven't had a virus in 7 years of frequent internet use. What happened was that I did get viruses when I first started using PC's in about 1999.....after a few virus attacks I began to learn how I was getting viruses and how I could prevent them. Don't open suspicious email attachments and don't click buttons on websites that aren't trustworthy. I started to use the internet in a safer way. I didn't get any viruses after that.
I really don't mind people buying Macs.....as I have said before in this thread, they are well-made computers. As you say, it's your money. Go nuts!
I'm sure Sony, Toshiba , HP, Dell etc would love to make computers which have a proprietary OS and use proprietary software all used on tightly specified hardware......like Apple do........that would be so easy. No problems with 3rd party software and hardware.....great! But they don't because most customers want the choices that come with using Windows. It really comes down to that. And the price of Macs.
That's why Mac's market share remains stable at around 5-9%.......most people (especially business users) want to use software that Mac's don't run and they want a computer that's a few hundred dollars cheaper than what Apple asks for. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said before, it's funny you mentioned Mac users are smug, because the only smug one here implying we aren't as intelligent as the PC user is you.
You keep talking about Windows 7. Ok man, imagine this.
10 years ago you bought a TV. After 6 months, the TV works half as good as it used to. Bad TV shows you watched to have slowed it down significantly. 2 years later you buy another TV. It works pretty good, but you have to buy software for the TV to make it keep working good, and still, after a year or so, it runs about half as fast, and it just keeps freezing in the middle of your TV show. After that you buy yet another TV. It's better than the last one, but still needs software to protect it from things that will make it run slow, and it still freezes every now and then. It's not that simple to use, and can really just piss you off sometimes.
THEN, a new company makes a new kind of TV. You read the reviews, it sounds amazing. So you spend a few extra hundred dollars, and buy it. Wow, this TV is great!!!
Then, a few years later, you are still using the new TV. And the old TV company says "Hey, come back to us! We promise we fixed the TV's AGAIN, and this time, they work just as good as that new company!" And a bunch of people, who apparently for no reason other than they have to much time on their hands and worry about what YOU do with YOUR money tell you that the sucky TV's are better too.
Would you stick with the company that has worked perfectly, or would you just give up the TV you love, and risk trying yet ANOTHER TV from that shitty company?
I typed this really quick before I go to work, so if there is a typo, and you try to use that as an argument, you are a douche.
This is basically the same situation, is it not? Believe me man, I wasn't born with a Mac in my hand. I switched after using PC's for a long time. You can't bullshit a bullshitter, when you say you haven't had a virus in 7 years, come on man, don't lie just to make a point. I've only had a Mac for 3 years, before that I had a PC like everyone else. I know the problems they had first hand, don't try to tell me what I've seen and experienced with them. if they FINALLY have it right, then great, I hope you are happy. But I really don't understand why someone would go on an internet crusade and tell people they shouldn't buy a Mac. It is OUR money man, I can buy what I want. Do you got Banana Republic and start telling everyone there they are dumb for buying clothes that are more expensive than Old Navy but do the same thing? Or go to Wal-Mart and yell at people for buying name brand instead of generic. Get off your high horse and chill out. It's a damn computer, and the only one who cares about what other people use in this conversation is YOU.
Your technical talk doesn't mean anything to me, I really don't know much about computers other than when it doesn't work, I get angry. My mac makes me happy. End of discussion for me. Later guys. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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So PCs don't need antivirus software kept up with the latest virus definitions to stay healthy?
You don't have to read all the virus alerts that pop up?
And PCs never need the user to defragment?
And you don't need to install a new language pack when you need a new language?
And there is no obvious absence of drivers in Windows ?
And Windows 7 is not 20gigs on the HDD? |
I'll just answer your questions quickly as I really don't have the energy or inclination for another PC vs Mac debate....
Mythbuster: PC's are plagued by viruses.
The virus issue is not what it used to be. It's mostly fairly harmless spyware/malware now. I'm pretty sure I could uninstall my free virus scanner and be fine.....It hasn't even detected anything harmful on any of my PC's in years. Unless you purposefully open suspicious email attachments or click on any old box which pops up on nasty websites, i.e. unless you're an internet idiot, you shouldn't get a virus these days. Plus the 64-bit W7 firewall is an excellent blocker.
I don't get any virus alert pop-up's. None. Zero. Again, you're thinking of what might have happened to some unlucky PC users 10 years ago.
Mythbuster: PC's hard drives need defragmented.
Not any more....at least not by the user. Since Vista was released in 2007 the defragmentation procedure is done quietly in the background as you're using the computer normally. It doesn't affect the user in any way......again, you're talking about something that used to happen with PC's 10 years ago.
Language packs? Windows can of course change languages now. Which is something we ex-pats might find useful as we're using computers in foreign countries......but the vast majority of Windows users never need to change their language.....so it's something few of us ever need to think about. Not something that would ever make anyone switch from PC to Mac, I'd say.
Mythbuster: PC's have lots of driver problems.
Vista and Windows 7 have awesome driver support. I'm frankly amazed at how many different things I can plug in to my 64-bit W7 machine which it recognizes immediately. You're really behind the curve on this one. Again, maybe 10 years ago driver support was a problem sometimes..not now. Not at all.
Have you even used a Windows 7 PC?
Windows 7, with a back-up copy, is indeed 20GB's.......so what? I have 2 TB's!! I can add as many $100 1.5TB drives as my case will hold. That's maybe a total of 14TB's!! and more externally if I want. So I don't even notice 20GB's.......very poor argument there. Very poor.
You know, I think you need to have another go at using an up-to-date PC. Your experience of PC's seems to date back quite a bit.
To be diplomatic, I'll have another go at using Mac's.....problem is, I don't know where to find one. No one I know uses them. |
So 2007 is 10 years ago? Sorry I think you're full of it. From post to post, your claims exaggerate and experiences change.
You have TBs of HDD space. Congrats. It doesn't mean your OS isn't a fat bloated pig. It's not a poor argument. It's a mark of an inferior OS. Plain and simple.
By the way, I just checked. Windows brought auto defrag in 2008.
And, yes in addition to installing W7 on my Mac, I have used a Windows 7 PC. And daily, I work with people at length who use Windows 7 PCs. This is why I know of the driver problem. It's not only noticeable for them, it's a chronic problem for them. I have also noticed threads here on this site referring to a lack of driver support.
Languages: With my WIndows 7 installation, why did I have to download and install Hangeul if, as you say I could have just changed languages?
Virus Alerts: Last night, in just 3 hours, my partners PC received half a dozen virus alerts. No porn involved.
Let's not forget, you know A LOT more than the average PC user. You know how to overclock, you know how to install components. So, your version of the PC experience is not the average experience. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's not forget, you know A LOT more than the average PC user. You know how to overclock, you know how to install components. So, your version of the PC experience is not the average experience. |
Everybody has a different level of computer knowledge.....from nothing to brainiac......I don't think it's fair to say that my PC's only work well because I know a bit about them......it helps, but its not the sole reason.
If Microsoft feels they need 20GB to provide a more complete Windows experience and Apple can do it in 5GB......I don't think that really matters.....I'm sure a programmer could explain to both of us (I don't really know why W7 uses up to 20GB.....on the install disc it's 3.2GB so how it manages to get up to 20GB, I don't know) why W7 is 20GB and why OSX is 5GB.......who cares......my W7 OS is very fast and doesn't feel bloated at all. I'm never tapping my fingers waiting for it to open any program or being bothered by features that I don't want.
BTW, Auto-defrag came out with official launch of Vista on January 30th, 2007.
I don't think it makes much sense to try to tell me that Windows is worse than OSX because you know people who have problems with their Windows machines. Its anecdotal evidence only. A myriad of problems is possible with any computer depending on how a person uses it.
Yes, I'm aware changing languages in Windows requires a download.....quite sensible really. I'd guess 99% of users will never change their OS language. Only expats like us find a need sometimes to do that. So why build it in to the OS? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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The link I found said March 2008, but 2007 is still not 10 years ago.
I'm not just relaying what others say. I just told you my experience matches it. All we want to do is produce music.
Strange how a Mac with 'below par, last year' components can do that without all the consistent snags experienced on a windows platform.
And, again, what I failed to get into is the trouble with third party plugins and instruments. Either a chronic crash issue, or a driver issue plagues the Windows side, while I'm running 50gig applications, and a 30gig sound library on my Mac with no stops. A lot of my industry peers are switching and not looking back, just as I did years ago.
Take your pick. Either way Windows fails for a large group of people. Your own wishy-washy claims only prove my point. You may not care about some of the things I'm comparing but that doesn't mean these points are not valid.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Take your pick. Either way Windows fails for a large group of people. Your own wishy-washy claims only prove my point. |
So why don't all those people who have had Windows fail on them go out and buy Mac's?
If Mac's are clearly the better choice, why do only 8% of people realize that? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Take your pick. Either way Windows fails for a large group of people. Your own wishy-washy claims only prove my point. |
So why don't all those people who have had Windows fail on them go out and buy Mac's?
If Mac's are clearly the better choice, why do only 8% of people realize that? |
Maybe because, like you, people get comfortable. People stick with what they've grown up on, and the price difference makes it more difficult. It's amazing what Windows users put up with... and have been putting up with through Vista.
But, I said above, the people I work with in the music industry ARE switching. They have been, and are continuing to. When I first started almost a decade ago there were no macs on the scene.
Now, a rough guess would put Macs in the 60-75% range.
And guess what... the expletives in the studio have gone down to almost zero. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Are people in the music recording industry a 'large group of people'? Or a very small group of people doing a very specific job which Apple writes good software for?
I do actually know one music studio engineer.....he uses a PC....he seems to get his work done. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Are people in the music recording industry a 'large group of people'? Or a very small group of people doing a very specific job which Apple writes good software for?
I do actually know one music studio engineer.....he uses a PC....he seems to get his work done. |
It's a large group of people, but a small percentage of computer users. One of the audio-tech forums I belong to has over 4000 members. These are not just your slanty-cap wearing hip-hop DJs looking for mixing advice. These are real producers and audio techs. This topic has been beaten to death there. Windows blows is the verdict.
Apple's software is only part of the issue as related third party software runs much better on macs, and hardware inputs have full driver support.
If you want to talk about the largest group of computer users, that would be institutions.
These entities will continue to deal with windows because the cost of switching is that much greater. Interestingly, many educational institutions are switching.
You know one guy who gets his work done hmmm? I bet you my BookPro he gets far less done than I do. I can guarantee that. |
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eamo
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Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:37 am Post subject: |
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You know, we could just say that we are both satisfied customers. I love my PC, you love your Mac. They both do what we want them to do.
But I paid a lot less for that satisfaction. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Yeah sure. I know PCs are better for some things... gaming and your budget. I know mac are better for some things.
People pay prices they are willing to pay. If I find Windows7 for 20 dollars cheaper than you, then whippee.
The increased price brings benefits you will never really be able to see, unless you use a mac extensively. I wonder how many people who have switched to Mac, end up going back again. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Used macs when I was a kid (LC 575) but switched to PCs because they were a hell of a lot cheaper and I could play more games. I bought mainly toshiba laptops for a while because they usually stocked a decent graphics card.
I got a sweet deal on the loaded macbook pro for 2400 CAD over a year ago that came with a 3 year protection plan for free. I think the normal price is somewhere around 400-500 bucks for one of those babys? Appelcare?
Anyway, all I can say is that I am a satisfied customer and I will not be returning to a different kind of laptop. I've completely become enamored with Mac OS. The extra 400 bucks for this baby was well worth it over a similar spec'd Tosh. |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Puet mo.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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The only reason I could consider macs to be good these days is because of the move to UNIX and x86 architecture.
I'd rather take one of those windows-based laptops and dual-boot *nix and windows - for real computing and gaming, respectively.
That tomshardware link was a good one. |
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Darkray16
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:31 am Post subject: |
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WTF?
just skimmed through the last page of arguments about Macs vs PC...
Two notes:
1. is this a discussion about software or hardware?
If it's about software then,
PC != Windows
Linux ftw
Mac OS is as simple OS for simple minded people.
if it's about hardware then there is no comparison
paying an extra 600 dollars for hardware that is a year behind the times is the suck.
2. thread jack much? |
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madoka
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