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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Mmmmmmm. Getting laid.
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| I'm sure the reaction of 90% of those people is that they look at the bracelet, shrug, and then drop it off in the nearest public trash can. Or they wait until they go home to do it. Who would bother wearing that, honestly? |
I bet some guy somewhere has gotten laid from wearing one. Aside from that, I think the bracelets are silly too. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
So you either choose the country with a big moat around it (Japan) or the one that has historically accepted the easy movement of troops down a long narrow corridor to defend.
You choose. (though you probably already figured that out, considering your statement about who's more important).[/b] |
Both are far from ideal. Korea is essentially one big Bermuda Hundred to China.
Japan is defensible, but being static in Japan is not ideal in war, at least in 1940-50s industrialized 2nd/3rd generation warfare.
I think the U.S. approach was simply establish enough points of interest (Japan, Korea, SE Asia, Philippines, Taiwan so that in the event of any conflict Chinese forces would be somewhat dispersed. With forces in Korean and Japan a large number would be on an exterior line (I know, very Jominian and out of date, but the US military is sometimes a dinosaur and in a sense a war with China in the 50s would still employ principles of Jomini) and with China's limited transport capacity it would be difficult to shift forces from one theater to another. Meanwhile the US could concentrate at specific points so as to overcome Chinese numerical superiority and achieve decisive breakthroughs.
Also to be considered is the use of Korea as a forward air base to strike at much of China's manufacturing capacity (Douhet, Mitchell, LeMay, also somewhat disproved by the time, although not wholly) The addition of bases in Taiwan, SE Asia, and the Philippines, would also provide more points to launch air strikes and force the Chinese to disperse their Air Force.
Lastly, solely relying on Japan would not be ideal in a naval sense. Although American naval superiority would be overwhelming and China could not fight a Mahanian style Sea Engagement, Japan would be lightly vulnerable to a jean ecole style naval strategy if you were attempting to invade China from Japan. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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You must be a Korean on the defensive shifting the blame to foreigners. How do I know that? You made 4 grammatical errors just in your first line. Can you find them?
You must be blind to your own culture. My middle school students are well indoctrinated in Korea's Dokdo is Ours belief. They've drawn posters for me (without my asking) of Dokdo and anti-Japanese posters too. |
Really? I've taught public elementary school for 2 years and high school for 2 years and not ONCE was Dokdo ever brought up in my classroom.
None of the teachers at my school ever bring up Dokdo. Not at school lunch, not at school dinners. In fact, the only time I EVER read about Dokdo is on Dave's where there is a thread practically every other day about it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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What needs to happen is that Dokdo needs to turn into some sort of Cayman Islands offshore duty free/gambling/money laundering territory under the control of Korea and Japan so I can go there and set up offices in its waters and get rich.
The sooner they get to drilling there is the sooner those workers are going to need hot food, beer and smokes and my 'operation' wants to be the one selling it to them. |
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bish
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
You must be a Korean on the defensive shifting the blame to foreigners. How do I know that? You made 4 grammatical errors just in your first line. Can you find them?
You must be blind to your own culture. My middle school students are well indoctrinated in Korea's Dokdo is Ours belief. They've drawn posters for me (without my asking) of Dokdo and anti-Japanese posters too. |
Really? I've taught public elementary school for 2 years and high school for 2 years and not ONCE was Dokdo ever brought up in my classroom.
None of the teachers at my school ever bring up Dokdo. Not at school lunch, not at school dinners. In fact, the only time I EVER read about Dokdo is on Dave's where there is a thread practically every other day about it. |
Well, they talk about it all the time at my school and have Saturday club activities based around it and an organisation called "Vank". They have tried to get me involved a number of times and I have told them "No". One of the creepy, Christian, pro-North Korean teachers runs the activities and also tries to get them to go to his church. Wonderful, if you ask me.
It was quite funny the other week, the Vank students came up and tried to interview me on camera with the usual Dokdo questions:
Vank: "Do foreigners know Dokdo is Korean?"
Me: "No, they heard something about Japan and Korea arguing over it."
Vank: "What do foreigners think about Dokdo?"
Me: "Nobody really cares"
Vank (puzzled faces): "Would you like to visit Dokdo?"
Me: "No"
Vank (talking to each other in Korean, looking puzzled): "Can you say 'Korea -Fighting?"
Me: "No"
Vank: "Thank you, teacher".
I am always willing to help the students but there is absolutely no way I will have anything to do with that loveliness. I am sure the teacher will put some great Korean subtitles over what I said but he hasn't bothered me since.
As other people have said, the indoctrination of children over this issue and the methods of promotion will only make people support Korea less. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Annoying Koreans give out "Dokdo bracelets" in |
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The Korea Times tells us about these people:
The Korean American Leaders Association (KALA) and BYON International - both Korean-American organizations in the U.S. - kicked off a fresh PR campaign to spread the word that Dokdo belongs to Korea.
They designed and created blue elastic bracelets with the words "Dokdo is Korean Territory" and "East Sea is Korea" written on them. With the initial distribution starting in New York and New Jersey, KALA co-chair Hwang Sung-ho says the campaign will soon go national.
"We need to be more aggressive in raising awareness in the U.S. about the importance of this issue," he told The Korea Times, stressing that the U.S. holds the key to resolving the long-running dispute between Korea and Japan. |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/04/irritating-koreans-give-out-dokdo.html |
Annoying? Because they are passionate about something? OP, have you ever been passionate about something? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans feel about Dokdo the same way we feel about Abortion. Someone's always ranting about it, we all have an opinion on the matter, but a bunch don't really care. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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I love how both Dokdo and East Sea are on the maps they show on the plane with Asiana. Koreans sure are persistent!  |
Yeah, I noticed that while flying Korean Air. I chuckled! ^^ |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Koreans feel about Dokdo the same way we feel about Abortion. Someone's always ranting about it, we all have an opinion on the matter, but a bunch don't really care. |
Except we aren't all unified in our opinion of it. with Dokdo, everyone has the same opinion. But, ok, not all are passionate about it. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Pretty much. But they preach to the choir a heck of a lot.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Koreans feel about Dokdo the same way we feel about Abortion. Someone's always ranting about it, we all have an opinion on the matter, but a bunch don't really care. |
Except we aren't all unified in our opinion of it. with Dokdo, everyone has the same opinion. But, ok, not all are passionate about it. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| As far as I'm concerned, Dokdo represents the epitome of Korean nationalism in all its twisted and distorted colors. If anyone tries to get me to wear one of those bracelets, I'd tell them to truck off. Whenever I see a foreigner wearing one of those damned bracelets, I immediately categorize them as brain dead, no questions asked. |
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Dude Ranch
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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| My students had to write an essay asking what the best thing for foreigners to see/do if they vacationed in Korea. About 1/3 wrote that the foreigners should go to and/or learn that dokdo is korean, so that they can take it back to their home countries and spread the word. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Why doesn't Korea just build a military base on Dokdo?
Apparently, people disapprove of handing out bracelets and information about the island. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Why doesn't Korea just build a military base on Dokdo?
Apparently, people disapprove of handing out bracelets and information about the island. |
There already is one there. My friend's little brother is stationed there. |
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