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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Big woop, I think it is 75 minutes quicker for double the price.
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Not double, 33%. I ride today at 3:00 so I'll pass on info when I get back about the train. I already read it has no food service. Went to their homepage and they have no links working for English or Japanese. You mean in 10 years they couldn't get the info translated so they could give it to the non-korean public?
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Mankind wrote,
You mean in 10 years they couldn't get the info translated so they could give it to the non-korean public?
Is there a non-Korean public in Korea? Where? On TV? In confinement, teaching somewhere?
The Hub of Asia? |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| They did some test runs. |
Yeah, i know i was being sarcastic.
Didn't they figure out the bugs before the big launch. What made me laugh was over at www.korea.net they were celebrating the triumph of it while they reality of the situation was being totally downplayed.
Why would you start services on a train that breaks down???
Now it all makes sense that when they did the first big run last week they only went from Seoul to Daejeon with all the foreign dignatories. They knew there were problems. |
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articulate_ink
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| rudyflyer wrote: |
Also read it will bleed money for years as nobody is expected to use it. That it would have to cost 2500 won/trip to break even based on estimates of ridership
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It's a common misconception that urban rail networks are even capable of breaking even. They can't, any more than roads or bridges can, because they're infrastructure. Even though most subways and light rail networks charge a fare (except in downtown Portland, Oregon, and perhaps one or two other places), that can't possibly offset the millions or billions spent on construction, rolling stock, operations, and maintenance. I think the exception that proves the rule is Seattle's monorail, which reportedly breaks even because it cost very little to construct back in the Sixties, is quite short (two stops), and is ridiculously expensive for what you get. (I live in the coffee capital so I get to hold forth.) Elevated rail systems have a better chance than at-grade systems or subways because construction costs and right-of-way acquisition are much less expensive, but still -- it's a mistake to view urban rail as a potential profit-taker. Just as governments need to build roads, they also need to provide people with an alternative to the automobile. Yes, it's expensive, but it's actually cheaper than building more roads, and sooner or later there's nothing left to pave (as is the case here in Seattle). |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
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Big woop, I think it is 75 minutes quicker for double the price.
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Not double, 33%. I ride today at 3:00 so I'll pass on info when I get back about the train. I already read it has no food service. Went to their homepage and they have no links working for English or Japanese. You mean in 10 years they couldn't get the info translated so they could give it to the non-korean public?
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Now that is stupid. On the current seamul trains from Gwangju to Seoul they announce station arrivals in Korean, English, Japanese, and Chinese. Why they thought it was appropriate in this case, and not a website for a "brilliant" new train is well beyond me. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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The English Barota site is up and running (but really slowly...click the link, then go make a sandwich). Try this:
http://english.barota.com/
Unfortunately this is a member only site. A membership costs a 20,000 Won deposit and basically allows you to make reservations online up to some time in advance. They seem to change how far in advance you can make reservtions at random intervals.
I haven't tried the basic Korean National railroad site lately. Maybe they are working on getting their 'member' site going first?
Anyone know what a 'Barota' is? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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The English Barota site is up and running (but really slowly...click the link, then go make a sandwich). Try this:
http://english.barota.com/
Unfortunately this is a member only site. A membership costs a 20,000 Won deposit and basically allows you to make reservations online up to some time in advance. They seem to change how far in advance you can make reservtions at random intervals.
I haven't tried the basic Korean National railroad site lately. Maybe they are working on getting their 'member' site going first?
Anyone know what a 'Barota' is? |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
The English Barota site is up and running (but really slowly...click the link, then go make a sandwich). Try this:
http://english.barota.com/
Unfortunately this is a member only site. A membership costs a 20,000 Won deposit and basically allows you to make reservations online up to some time in advance. They seem to change how far in advance you can make reservtions at random intervals.
I haven't tried the basic Korean National railroad site lately. Maybe they are working on getting their 'member' site going first?
Anyone know what a 'Barota' is? |
"�ٷ� Ÿ" |
Babelfish says this means "Rightly other" |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:43 am Post subject: |
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I just bought tickets for Seoul. The regular express train- 3.5 hours, is around 29,000, the KTX (1 hr. 38minutes) is just under 35,000- that's about 20% more.
No food service? For an hour and a half, I can survive! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
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I read the article. BFD
I see little cause for concern, Mr. "The sky is falling."
Maybe there have been little glitches, but no real problems. I'm not entirely secure that all will go well, but that is the case with anything new like this.
How can you stand living here, you must be in a constant state of anxiety, R.R.? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Well, the sky may not be falling but how about the ceiling?
Safety: The price of miracle development?
In April 1995 a gas explosion at a construction site in Taegu killed or injured 300 workers and passers-by. Two months later in June 1995 Seoul's Sampoong Department Store collapsed in the worst peacetime disaster in South Korean history. More than 500 shoppers were crushed to death and another 900 were injured.
And over the last 20 years Korean Air, the South Korean flag-carrier, has been plagued by disasters in which more than 800 people have died. Most recently eight people were killed when a Korean Air cargo jet crashed into a construction site near Shanghai airport.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/382450.stm
Daegu arson
Experts say that fires are a risk on Korean subway trains, because fireproof materials are not used, and materials on the trains, when ignited, easily release strong poisonous gases.
Emergency safety measures had not been emplaced in the Daegu subway. When the fire broke out, riders were locked in the cars and were unable to open the doors manually, experts said. The police, furthermore, determined that sprinklers were not installed inside the station. They said the absence of the sprinklers would have contributed to aggravating the accident.
"The damage from the accident seems to have been aggravated, because the emergency system of the subway did not work properly," said Yoon Myeong-oh, of the University of Seoul.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200302/19/200302190206119809900090409041.html |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Actually, the KTX system is being launched just as China launched its first maglev (magnetic levitation) train. Maglev trains can travel up to 300 mph compared to 180 mph for the KTX and are more energy efficient.
The KTX - much ado about nothing. |
That maglev system I believe is only two stops. The airport and then into Shanghai. It's not like China is using maglev to form a major national transportation hub. I do not believe the chinese have any plans to add additional maglev lines. It amounts to little more than a play thing. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| BTW WTF does Korea need a bullet train? Its an absurd waste of money... |
Frankly, anything that keeps koreans off the road is a sound investment. Reduced accidents, reduced need to having to add lanes between seoul and busan, reduced smog... Why doesn't Korea need a bullet train is a more apt question. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I read the article. BFD
I see little cause for concern, Mr. "The sky is falling."
Maybe there have been little glitches, but no real problems. I'm not entirely secure that all will go well, but that is the case with anything new like this.
How can you stand living here, you must be in a constant state of anxiety, R.R.? |
Dude, save your breath. This mental case continues to post negative articles on Korea and he yet he still lives there.
RR, the first step in solving a problem is to admit you have, so please, do so. |
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