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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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If you're going off topic on this I'll join in.
I'm not sure exactly sure why you're comparing a grunge guitar player with a metal guitarist. I think Mustaine is technically good, but I don't like his riffs at all. They are nothing compared to what Slayer, Entombed, Carcass, Celtic Frost or Obituary could come up. I prefer Cobain's riffs over Mustaine's too.
His vocals are utterly appalling, it's like a sneer. I'll take Cobain's any day of the week, and he was a far more charismatic character than that long haired carrot top.
I saw Nirvana live, and they sure rocked the house. |
I see you have a hate-on for dudes with long hair...you'd definitely hate me...mine's as long as mustaine's  |
Stop being paranoid, I don't hate long hair.
Is this a good look though? Just sayin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAPHM_TPmI&feature=fvw
Navarro looks the better rocker to me. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Am I the only one thinks Cobain didn't commit suicide? |
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In the day where CSI and evidence seems to reign supreme, am I the only one that thinks it's a little hard to swallow suicide when a medical examiner states conclusively that he was too doped up to even hold a gun much less aim it at his head and pull the trigger?
I mean this is asside from the fact that Love's own father thinks that she may have done it, I just can't get beyond the medical evidence alone.
But of course I also believe that O.J may not have done it and that Michael Jackson did do it. So my "beleif" in certain issues is suspect anyway.
To me though a medical examiner saying that suicide was impossible seems to be a pretty compelling proof against suicide.
Any thoughts? |
you would have to be asleep to not be able to pull the trigger!
a junkie no matter how high he is can always cook up heroine and inject himself! so if he can do that! then pulling a trigger on a gun is nothing...
I think he got so high that in his own mind he bumbed himself out and thought life was not worth it.. got on a major downer and just went through with it... oopppsss |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Am I the only one thinks Cobain didn't commit suicide? |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
In the day where CSI and evidence seems to reign supreme, am I the only one that thinks it's a little hard to swallow suicide when a medical examiner states conclusively that he was too doped up to even hold a gun much less aim it at his head and pull the trigger?
I mean this is asside from the fact that Love's own father thinks that she may have done it, I just can't get beyond the medical evidence alone.
But of course I also believe that O.J may not have done it and that Michael Jackson did do it. So my "beleif" in certain issues is suspect anyway.
To me though a medical examiner saying that suicide was impossible seems to be a pretty compelling proof against suicide.
Any thoughts? |
you would have to be asleep to not be able to pull the trigger!
a junkie no matter how high he is can always cook up heroine and inject himself! so if he can do that! then pulling a trigger on a gun is nothing...
I think he got so high that in his own mind he bumbed himself out and thought life was not worth it.. got on a major downer and just went through with it... oopppsss |
I see, so these medical examiners who confirm such things as "there is no way he could have pulled a trigger" are flat out wrong?
Interesting take |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Reactionary, are you ever anything other than a total _______ ( fill in whatever adjective you want to, I am not about to break the terms of service.
1) I have an English degree and can usually dish out a correct sentence, I say usually as the English language has so many conflicting rules, its a difficult language to master.
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Dragoon
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
| Dragoon wrote: |
| Kurtz wrote: |
If you're going off topic on this I'll join in.
I'm not sure exactly sure why you're comparing a grunge guitar player with a metal guitarist. I think Mustaine is technically good, but I don't like his riffs at all. They are nothing compared to what Slayer, Entombed, Carcass, Celtic Frost or Obituary could come up. I prefer Cobain's riffs over Mustaine's too.
His vocals are utterly appalling, it's like a sneer. I'll take Cobain's any day of the week, and he was a far more charismatic character than that long haired carrot top.
I saw Nirvana live, and they sure rocked the house. |
I see you have a hate-on for dudes with long hair...you'd definitely hate me...mine's as long as mustaine's |
Stop being paranoid, I don't hate long hair.
Is this a good look though? Just sayin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAPHM_TPmI&feature=fvw
Navarro looks the better rocker to me. |
I think his look is pretty badazz...especially for his age..the guy is pushing 50 and still got decent hair. I hope mine will be similar when I'm that age.
I always thought Navarro looked douchey personally.... |
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madhusudan
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Am I the only one thinks Cobain didn't commit suicide? |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
In the day where CSI and evidence seems to reign supreme, am I the only one that thinks it's a little hard to swallow suicide when a medical examiner states conclusively that he was too doped up to even hold a gun much less aim it at his head and pull the trigger?
I mean this is asside from the fact that Love's own father thinks that she may have done it, I just can't get beyond the medical evidence alone.
But of course I also believe that O.J may not have done it and that Michael Jackson did do it. So my "beleif" in certain issues is suspect anyway.
To me though a medical examiner saying that suicide was impossible seems to be a pretty compelling proof against suicide.
Any thoughts? |
you would have to be asleep to not be able to pull the trigger!
a junkie no matter how high he is can always cook up heroine and inject himself! so if he can do that! then pulling a trigger on a gun is nothing...
I think he got so high that in his own mind he bumbed himself out and thought life was not worth it.. got on a major downer and just went through with it... oopppsss |
I see, so these medical examiners who confirm such things as "there is no way he could have pulled a trigger" are flat out wrong?
Interesting take |
Yes, they were wrong. That's why the death was ruled a suicide. Other medical examiners, whose ideas are the accepted explanation, determined he was able to pull the trigger. If you choose to believe the discredited minority opinion, your choice. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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I read an autobiography of Kurt Cobain. He had chronic stomach pains from a young age and was a heroine addict for many years. The medical examiners who state that he couldnt have have probably never taken heroine themselves so arent in the right position to judge. He was a massive smackhead so he might have been able to confound medical science no? Youd be surprised what people are capable of on heroine. Many people live average day-to-day lives as junkies. Dont believe what the government tells you about drugs.
In short, he was a smackhead who killed himself. It's sad but that is what happened. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I read an autobiography of Kurt Cobain. He had chronic stomach pains from a young age and was a heroine addict for many years. The medical examiners who state that he couldnt have have probably never taken heroine themselves so arent in the right position to judge. He was a massive smackhead so he might have been able to confound medical science no? Youd be surprised what people are capable of on heroine. Many people live average day-to-day lives as junkies. Dont believe what the government tells you about drugs.
In short, he was a smackhead who killed himself. It's sad but that is what happened. |
I love the ignorance that it is "IMPOSSIBLE "for there to be ANY OTHER explanation.
No no, he killed himself....... FACT!!!!!
Like the police have never gotten stuff like this wrong before.
Okay guys.
PS I am not saying that he FOR SURE was murdered or anything, but the open refusal to even think that it is possible astounds me. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
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I read an autobiography of Kurt Cobain. He had chronic stomach pains from a young age and was a heroine addict for many years. The medical examiners who state that he couldnt have have probably never taken heroine themselves so arent in the right position to judge. He was a massive smackhead so he might have been able to confound medical science no? Youd be surprised what people are capable of on heroine. Many people live average day-to-day lives as junkies. Dont believe what the government tells you about drugs.
In short, he was a smackhead who killed himself. It's sad but that is what happened. |
I love the ignorance that it is "IMPOSSIBLE "for there to be ANY OTHER explanation.
No no, he killed himself....... FACT!!!!!
Like the police have never gotten stuff like this wrong before.
Okay guys.
PS I am not saying that he FOR SURE was murdered or anything, but the open refusal to even think that it is possible astounds me. |
I love the ignorance from you that once people say that your medical examiner 'evidence' might be wrong you start calling people ignorant! Way to win the argument!
It might well have transpired differently but no one will ever find that out. The facts which most people seem to accept are that he was a big junkie and severely depressed. People like that sometimes commit suicide. So people accept that. What about his suicide note was that faked? Doesnt look like it was to me. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Am I the only one thinks Cobain didn't commit suicide? |
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| madhusudan wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
In the day where CSI and evidence seems to reign supreme, am I the only one that thinks it's a little hard to swallow suicide when a medical examiner states conclusively that he was too doped up to even hold a gun much less aim it at his head and pull the trigger?
I mean this is asside from the fact that Love's own father thinks that she may have done it, I just can't get beyond the medical evidence alone.
But of course I also believe that O.J may not have done it and that Michael Jackson did do it. So my "beleif" in certain issues is suspect anyway.
To me though a medical examiner saying that suicide was impossible seems to be a pretty compelling proof against suicide.
Any thoughts? |
you would have to be asleep to not be able to pull the trigger!
a junkie no matter how high he is can always cook up heroine and inject himself! so if he can do that! then pulling a trigger on a gun is nothing...
I think he got so high that in his own mind he bumbed himself out and thought life was not worth it.. got on a major downer and just went through with it... oopppsss |
I see, so these medical examiners who confirm such things as "there is no way he could have pulled a trigger" are flat out wrong?
Interesting take |
Yes, they were wrong. That's why the death was ruled a suicide. Other medical examiners, whose ideas are the accepted explanation, determined he was able to pull the trigger. If you choose to believe the discredited minority opinion, your choice. |
And surely its NEVER the case that when higher more esteemed people make mistakes ( especially on high profile cases) that the mistake is swept under the rug.
I mean that never happens.
And surely hundreds of medical tests that say "If this is your level of blood concentration then you cant do...." must be false if they happen to apply to a huge star. No no, people he's Kurt Cobain, and he was like really depressed, so even though no other person EVER tested could do anything even close to it, Kurt Cobain could."
I mean yeah you guys are right, what do medical tests or a history of getting rulings wrong have to do with anything.
Yep, its not possible at all that he was murdered. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
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I read an autobiography of Kurt Cobain. He had chronic stomach pains from a young age and was a heroine addict for many years. The medical examiners who state that he couldnt have have probably never taken heroine themselves so arent in the right position to judge. He was a massive smackhead so he might have been able to confound medical science no? Youd be surprised what people are capable of on heroine. Many people live average day-to-day lives as junkies. Dont believe what the government tells you about drugs.
In short, he was a smackhead who killed himself. It's sad but that is what happened. |
I love the ignorance that it is "IMPOSSIBLE "for there to be ANY OTHER explanation.
No no, he killed himself....... FACT!!!!!
Like the police have never gotten stuff like this wrong before.
Okay guys.
PS I am not saying that he FOR SURE was murdered or anything, but the open refusal to even think that it is possible astounds me. |
I love the ignorance from you that once people say that your medical examiner 'evidence' might be wrong you start calling people ignorant! Way to win the argument!
It might well have transpired differently but no one will ever find that out. The facts which most people seem to accept are that he was a big junkie and severely depressed. People like that sometimes commit suicide. So people accept that. What about his suicide note was that faked? Doesnt look like it was to me. |
Listen buddy you want to stand there and say that it is IMPOSSIBLE that he could have killed himself and there was a mistake made, then yes I call that ignorance, for the very simple reason that it is. IF there is a medical test that con confirm he had a specific concentration, and in all other cases that concentration leads to an inability to do certain actiosn like hold, manipulate and fire a gun, ten to simple say that he DID kill himself and that there is no explanation is plain and simple ignorance.
A suicide not could be written by a suicidal person, does this mean that he for sure killed himself? He could have written it days before, weeks before and not have offed himself. Some suicidals have their note written years before, and some never even kill themselves.
I am not saying that there is not a lot of evidence to suggest that he killed himself, and I am not even saying that he DID NOT kil himself, but I am intelligent enough to know that it is impossible to know that itwas for sure murder/suicide either way. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
I read an autobiography of Kurt Cobain. He had chronic stomach pains from a young age and was a heroine addict for many years. The medical examiners who state that he couldnt have have probably never taken heroine themselves so arent in the right position to judge. He was a massive smackhead so he might have been able to confound medical science no? Youd be surprised what people are capable of on heroine. Many people live average day-to-day lives as junkies. Dont believe what the government tells you about drugs.
In short, he was a smackhead who killed himself. It's sad but that is what happened. |
I love the ignorance that it is "IMPOSSIBLE "for there to be ANY OTHER explanation.
No no, he killed himself....... FACT!!!!!
Like the police have never gotten stuff like this wrong before.
Okay guys.
PS I am not saying that he FOR SURE was murdered or anything, but the open refusal to even think that it is possible astounds me. |
I love the ignorance from you that once people say that your medical examiner 'evidence' might be wrong you start calling people ignorant! Way to win the argument!
It might well have transpired differently but no one will ever find that out. The facts which most people seem to accept are that he was a big junkie and severely depressed. People like that sometimes commit suicide. So people accept that. What about his suicide note was that faked? Doesnt look like it was to me. |
Listen buddy you want to stand there and say that it is IMPOSSIBLE that he could have killed himself and there was a mistake made, then yes I call that ignorance, for the very simple reason that it is. IF there is a medical test that con confirm he had a specific concentration, and in all other cases that concentration leads to an inability to do certain actiosn like hold, manipulate and fire a gun, ten to simple say that he DID kill himself and that there is no explanation is plain and simple ignorance.
A suicide not could be written by a suicidal person, does this mean that he for sure killed himself? He could have written it days before, weeks before and not have offed himself. Some suicidals have their note written years before, and some never even kill themselves.
I am not saying that there is not a lot of evidence to suggest that he killed himself, and I am not even saying that he DID NOT kil himself, but I am intelligent enough to know that it is impossible to know that itwas for sure murder/suicide either way. |
Well I say that you can never know for sure if he did or not but no one will ever know, but you didnt want to read that did you?
For me though it seems like it was highly likely that he would, and I dont believe those medical examiner reports anyway because they dont know everything. Ive seen people do amazing things on drugs! That's why we take them!
I dont wanna get into a slanging match here because I see where youre coming from, but for me he was a chronic heroine addict who suffered from unbearable stomach pains, the combination of which lead him into a deep depression, which he got out of by committing suicide. I could be wrong but we'll never know!!!
Take it easy. |
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Seoulio
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I dont mind admitting that we will never know.
I know that we will never know.
Take it easy |
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I dont mind admitting that we will never know.
I know that we will never know.
Take it easy |
Do you actually know for sure that we will never know? Or will we never know that we we'll never know? |
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Seoulio
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
I dont mind admitting that we will never know.
I know that we will never know.
Take it easy |
Do you actually know for sure that we will never know? Or will we never know that we we'll never know? |
I don't know, you know? |
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