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Fox
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| They're illegally crossing the boarder to take advantage of interacting with citizens of a wealthier society who are willing to break the law and employ them at higher pay than they'd earn in Mexico. |
Wealth built off near slave labour conditions. It's easy to make millions when you exploit your workforce with meager pay and threats of deportations. |
I agree. They should stop illegally entering our society and subjecting themselves to such conditions. They're fools that are enriching people unjustly at their own expense. They need to stop subjecting themselves to such treatment. Instead of selling their labor to citizens of the United States illegally for a pittance, they should remain in Mexico and focus on using their labor to improve and enrich their homeland. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I agree with penpal about the exploitation of the illegals and the wealth it has created for some. But it has also driven wages down.
The topic is about whites becoming a minority, I just think its not a big deal, many whites are already a minority in the cities they live in and have been for some time.
All the other writing on here about slave labor, the evil U.s. overlooks that many other nations made much of their wealth wealth on explotation of people usually people of a different color. Past is past. illegals are not what is so rapidly changing the domographics. Legal immigrants who are overwhelmingly Catholic , having large families is what changing the numbers. |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a really easy situation to the problem that would never fly with the democrats but the republicans would secretly back it.
As soon as they cross the border, shoot them.
It's called a war on illegals and they are invading the home land.
I gosh darn guarantee you this would minimize illegal crossings.
Before implementing this program, ensure that a mass advertising campaign is distributed through out mexico to ensure they can't use the "we didn't know" approach.
Every country has a right to protect its borders. And if any other country followed suite, I'd agree 100% |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I consider America a nation of immigrants. It's what made us great. It sickens me when these modern day Know-Nothings start talking about trespassers on "our land." If we let these people come and become Americans, they might have more of a stake in the nation than just economic reasons. As we're seeing, once the economy sours, they're more than happy to go back home - HURRAY! Less competition for that janitorial job that became redundant - what have we won? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I consider America a nation of immigrants. It's what made us great. It sickens me when these modern day Know-Nothings start talking about trespassers on "our land." If we let these people come and become Americans, they might have more of a stake in the nation than just economic reasons. As we're seeing, once the economy sours, they're more than happy to go back home - HURRAY! Less competition for that janitorial job that became redundant - what have we won? |
Immigration is a public policy issue with two primary questions:
1) Who (what skills)
2) How many
The US presently asserts very little control over either question. Who? Whoever shows up. How many? How ever many show up.
Without the welfare state and multi-culti ideology the issue would be entirely different. The world is as it is and the current level of illegal immigration is not beneficial for the country. The United States, like every other country on the planet, has obligations to citizens first. America is not a NGO. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
I've got a really easy situation to the problem that would never fly with the democrats but the republicans would secretly back it.
As soon as they cross the border, shoot them.
It's called a war on illegals and they are invading the home land.
I gosh darn guarantee you this would minimize illegal crossings. |
It would also results in lots of innocent citizens being murdered by police. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Zulethe wrote: |
I've got a really easy situation to the problem that would never fly with the democrats but the republicans would secretly back it.
As soon as they cross the border, shoot them.
It's called a war on illegals and they are invading the home land.
I gosh darn guarantee you this would minimize illegal crossings. |
It would also results in lots of innocent citizens being murdered by police. |
Innocent?? They're breaking the law crossing into to the USA!
(kidding there) |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Immigration is a public policy issue with two primary questions:
1) Who (what skills)
2) How many
The US presently asserts very little control over either question. Who? Whoever shows up. How many? How ever many show up.
Without the welfare state and multi-culti ideology the issue would be entirely different. The world is as it is and the current level of illegal immigration is not beneficial for the country. The United States, like every other country on the planet, has obligations to citizens first. America is not a NGO. |
It surprises me, as a lot of the same pundits and politicians who are strongly anti-immigration are also the biggest proponents of "let the free market decide." Does that not also apply to labor? Obligations to our citizens? Why have they decided this is the ONLY issue where they have obligations to the citizens? NAFTA didn't benefit citizens. |
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Dev
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Does anybody know why Mexico just can't seem to work its way out of poverty? Is it mainly corruption? Is it having more mouths to feed than it can support? Is it a poor work ethic in the culture and or a poor education system?
Look at Korea and Japan, two nations that were at one point very poor, but rolled up their sleeves, got to work and made their countries great. |
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Seoulio
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Does anybody know why Mexico just can't seem to work its way out of poverty? Is it mainly corruption? Is it having more mouths to feed than it can support? Is it a poor work ethic in the culture and or a poor education system?
Look at Korea and Japan, two nations that were at one point very poor, but rolled up their sleeves, got to work and made their countries great. |
And how much American involvment did either country have from the 1950's onward. Geographic isolation for both and the fact that they were just at war with America in the case of Japan left very little involvment with, or dependence on ( Korean had the American military dependence) America, so they were actually able to build an economy where most of the money stayed in there hands.
Hard for Mexixo to get off its feet when a huge portion of its economic wealth is funnelled into American owned and run corporations, or to the American Governement on trade sanctions (pre free trade agreement)
Now I am not saying that is the ONLY factor, but I would imagine its a big portions of it.
Its kind of like why Can't African countries get off the hand out wagon and start building stable economies. A major part of the reason is the assistance that America offers normaly comes with stipulation sthat prevent the successful launch of a stable and independent economy
and for those who will immediately tell me I am wrong on that, please do a little research, look up what stipulations are often attached to these "gifts" to Africa. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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I was just thinking about how Korea did it (and it was no easy task).
1) They put most of their money in a few large companies (Samsung, Hyundai, Gold Star).
2) The public is extremely loyal to these brands.
3) The Korean currency was not permitted to be taken out of Korea (to stop capital flight) during this development.
I imagine Mexico is kinda screwed with NAFTA. It has to compete with U.S. products. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Does anybody know why Mexico just can't seem to work its way out of poverty? Is it mainly corruption? Is it having more mouths to feed than it can support? Is it a poor work ethic in the culture and or a poor education system?
Look at Korea and Japan, two nations that were at one point very poor, but rolled up their sleeves, got to work and made their countries great. |
Mexico now is much better than it used to be. Well ok, when it comes to the poverty rate. It has gone down and average income has gone up. The country has gained significantly after NAFTA.
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| I imagine Mexico is kinda screwed with NAFTA. It has to compete with U.S. products. |
No, not at all. Two problems Mexico has is a) the rise of China b) its total reliance on the US economy. Basically the two economies economic growth are correlated to one another. When the US economy goes up, Mexico's does. Down, down. Alas, Mexico of course needs to surpass US economic growth so it is going to have to reform itself and become more economically competitive in the world economy. |
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Firearcher
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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A curious thing is this: Countries governed by whites are prosperous. Countries governed by blacks are not. While some may find that observation offensive it is the truth. Other races are flocking to "white" countries and whites are fastly becoming a minority in these countries so soon whites will not be a majority in any country on earth. Traditional white countries will then be governed by a race other than white. Now what do you suppose will occur in Europe, Australia and North America when that happens.
Whites are not flocking to Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Ghana, Lebanon and Iraq - yet citizens from those countries are heading "west". The world in 100 years will look very different.
And may act very different as well. |
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kwokman
Joined: 09 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: |
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A curious thing is this: Countries governed by whites are prosperous. Countries governed by blacks are not. While some may find that observation offensive it is the truth. Other races are flocking to "white" countries and whites are fastly becoming a minority in these countries so soon whites will not be a majority in any country on earth. Traditional white countries will then be governed by a race other than white. Now what do you suppose will occur in Europe, Australia and North America when that happens.
Whites are not flocking to Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Ghana, Lebanon and Iraq - yet citizens from those countries are heading "west". The world in 100 years will look very different.
And may act very different as well. |
Of course the world will look different in 100 years. It won't be drastic, but just as white people tend to come from diverse backgrounds(it's rare to find a white person in America that's from one country), this idea of "single racial identity" is lessening as we speak. Due to technology that allows us to travel great distances with ease, if you give it a few thousand years, single races will be the minority.
It's a hard pill to swallow when you mention that countries governed by whites are prosperous while the minorities aren't. Throughout history, world power has always changed hands in different races. At one point, it was Asians with the Chinese Civilization. Ancient Egypt was a powerhouse at one point also. It just happens to be that we're living in a time period where whites in America(arguably) currently hold power. Also, Greece is in an economic meltdown at this point(white governed as far as I know) and America has a black president. And before you go blaming Obama for our economic crisis, please PLEASE remember that the damage was done during the Bush administration. Considering the mess that was made during that time period, who knows how long it'll take before our economy fully recovers.
On a side note, the MAIN reason Korea has developed into the country that it is today is from all of the economic aid provided by America. Why would America help out such a small and unimportant country during that time? We were against the spread of communism and giving up the peninsula would give China a boost in going over to Japan and inevitably, the rest of the Asian countries. To prevent this, America needed Korea to thrive and that is also a key reason why we still have troops remaining in South Korea. South Korea has been capable of taking over North Korea for decades and yet we don't do it because China would interfere. However, due to China's increasing economic expansion, who knows what might happen in the future. They could end up just giving up on North Korea and letting South Korea take it over, or China can just end up taking over all of Asia. Hopefully none of these events happen in my lifetime. My eyes have seen too much bloodshed.
By the way, I hope some of this made sense. I feel like I'm just ranting about nonsense. I guess that's what opinions are anyways. |
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buildbyflying
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I will say most of your posts in this thread have been generally reasonable. But this point simply lacks logic.
The poor will work at whatever wages are available. This is true in the US as we speak even amongst WASPs who are taking jobs that are not ideal and considering the numbers here, anywhere they are available.
If we really wanted to crack down on immigration, we'd jail any employer that knowingly or unknowingly hires an illegal worker. But then fixing immigration isn't really the point now is it?
I mean no one wants to shoot the CEO of Tyson Foods, right? Upstanding citizen? |
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