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Fox
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 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
A dead chimp may be smarter than me, but I'm smarter than you guys - at least insofar as paying attention to details...
From the same Wikipedia article:
A primary reason for the race to the Moon was the Cold War. Philip Plait states in Bad Astronomy that the Soviets, with their own competing Moon program and a formidable scientific community able to analyze NASA data, could be expected to have cried foul if the United States tried to fake a Moon landing,[24] especially since their own program had failed. Successfully pointing out a hoax would have been a major propaganda coup. Bart Sibrel has responded, "the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972, immediately after which, the last three Apollo missions were abruptly canceled."[25]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories |
Except that the people who claim it's a hoax assert there's evidence of it being faked even without the ability to have tracked the vessels. Evidence the Soviet Union would have no doubt picked up on if they had a genuine interest. Indeed, one of your hoax proponents includes that in his case:
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| Yuri Mukhin - Russian opposition politician, publicist and writer and author of the book The Moon affair of the USA (2006) in which he denies all Moon landing evidence and accuses the U.S. establishment of plundering the money paid by the American tax payers for the Moon program and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and some Soviet scientists for helping NASA commit the hoax without being denounced. |
At this point the conspiracy theory includes not only NASA, but the Soviet Union. They claim that America's enemy was party to this, helping NASA get away with its fraudulent moon landings. That's how far these guys are willing to go to claim this was all a fraud.
If the Soviet Union was in on the fraud, there would be no need to stop these "fake" moon landings after they developed long range tracking capabilities, because they were in on it. And if the Soviet Union wasn't in on the fraud, they would have called the United States on it for the same reason as these random gentlemen did if they felt such criticisms were at all valid. Either way, the case presented here is far less convincing than that of NASA and those who support the moon landing. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Well, if Yuri Mukhin's testimony is true, that would explain a lot - and most people would not be too shocked about their being extensive corruption in both regimes. Maybe U.S. taxpayer money was even used to bribe some key Russian scientists (or not). |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to be a hard core conspiracy theorist to truly believe that the USA didn't go to the moon. Of all the people that would be required for staging such an elaborate ruse, how come some of the people haven't come forward after 40 years? |
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ED209
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Personally, I'm not convinced yet about whether the original moon landing.was faked or not ... |
Yet you're convinced little blue men were bouncing around up there thousands of years ago. Where's that chimpanzee? I need
my sanity back. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| You have to be a hard core conspiracy theorist to truly believe that the USA didn't go to the moon. Of all the people that would be required for staging such an elaborate ruse, how come some of the people haven't come forward after 40 years? |
Well, as was illustrated in the movie Wag the Dog, you can involve many people in a fake production who don't necessarily have any knowledge that the goal was to create an illusory event. The one guy privy to the plot who couldn't be trusted was very discretely terminated by a shadow intelligence agency operative.
I've always assumed that the astronauts in general are very loyal soldiers trained to follow the chain of command and ready to sacrifice their lives for their country. Maybe they are also willing to sacrifice their lies for their country.
On a more sinister conspiratorial note, perhaps these guys were involved ...
"...The source of this conspiracy will be found in the body known as the Illuminati... "
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/08/11/18/apollo-moon-landing-lie |
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Rteacher
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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I rather enjoyed this comment:
WeWentToTheMoon69 :What a waste of time this video is. The LRO feed comes directly to students at Arizona State University. Any fool knows that NASA, even if they wanted to, couldn't "photoshop" spacecrafts onto the moon. The spacecrafts MUST be on the moon and guess what... the only way they could have got their was via the Apollo human moon landings. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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It's a waste of time if your mind is already made up.
When I showed a clip from the HBO docudrama From the Earth to the Moon one of my students asked why we haven't gone back to the moon if we really went there over 40 years ago.
I replied that one reason could be that it costs too much money. When she persisted with "I still don't see why we never went back..." I added that "Well, some people think that the moon landing may have been faked."
She followed-up with "Do you think it was faked?" - to which I replied, "I think we probably went to the moon, but it's possible that it could have been faked using computers..." |
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