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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| goreality wrote: |
| Mr. Harper is marching to the beat of his own drum, saying one thing and doing another. He is also a hypocrite, specifically when it comes to overspending. |
Just about somes it up! |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| 15% POCKETED AT LEAST. VERY EASY TO SKIM ON THIS TYPE OF APPROPRIATION |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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rollo: source!?
That's quite an accusation. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Commonsense! too much money to not get some of it. But in Government expenditures usually about 15& is 'wasted "as they say. In other words it gets disappeared some where. Unlesss you believe in the essential honesty of politicians and businessmen. But 15% has been usual. Unless they open the books noone knows a thing. I got that number from a class I took on government back in the 90's. It comes to mind everytime I see one of the big money deals. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever, mate.
But "from a class I took on gov. back in the 90s" hardly constitutes a credible source. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Evidently spending nearly a billion dollars on security was insufficient for a wealthy, affluent nation like Canada, loaded with far too much money to spend on practicalities:
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TORONTO � Canada's Conservative government is coming under heavy criticism from opposition parties for spending nearly $2 million for a fake lake inside the media center for this month's G-8 and G-20 summits.
Organizers are building the artificial lake to showcase the real G-8 site in Huntsville, Ontario, on June 25-26. The lake is part of a $1.9-million Canadian (US$1.8 million) display called The Canadian Corridor that will include canoes, trees, deck chairs and a fake dock.
Only a small pool of about 150 reporters will be allowed to cover the G-8 summit in Huntsville because of the small venue size, so many will cover it from Toronto � the site of the G-20 summit that same weekend.
Opposition lawmaker Mark Holland ridiculed the government on Monday for the expense. Opposition parties have already decried the nearly $1 billion cost for security. |
I guess it's a pittance compared to the money they've all ready spent, but $2 million to build a fake lake for a short-duration event? Really? Is Canada so lake deficient that you have to go around building them? Because I was under the impression it was a country fairly well-endowed with natural bodies of water. |
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pulse_pace
Joined: 12 Jun 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH:
The city is now removing small TREES from downtown Toronto...because they fear that these trees are going to be used as weapons.
I wrote papers on how these security measures are plain ridiculous. Implementing scare tactics and bringing Torontonians into a culture of terror is just plain ridiculous.
If anything does happen, blame the city for provoking peaceful protesters.
If you have any questions, dudes feel free to ask me.
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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As I've already stated:
Holding conference in Toronto? Nuts.
Spending that kind of money on this? Inexcusable.
But "peaceful protesters''?! Like the consistent crew of professional anarchists, agitators and like-minded ilk that have been committing criminal activities at these events for years? Puuuuulese....
But to pulse-pace...if you could give us your, like, 3 papers here maybe you could, like, change my POV...dude.... |
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pulse_pace
Joined: 12 Jun 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
As I've already stated:
Holding conference in Toronto? Nuts.
Spending that kind of money on this? Inexcusable.
But "peaceful protesters''?! Like the consistent crew of professional anarchists, agitators and like-minded ilk that have been committing criminal activities at these events for years? Puuuuulese....
But to pulse-pace...if you could give us your, like, 3 papers here maybe you could, like, change my POV...dude.... |
like i was just trying to like you know explain my involvement in advocating against these security measures
but like you know, you've like kinda provoked me so like dude, like you know...i think you should like not criticize protesters because not everyone employs violent strategies |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Why not post your 3 papers here, then?
You're insinuating that I was painting all protesters with a wide brush. But then you originally stated that all protesters were of the peaceful variety. That is definitely not so.... |
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mises
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand why they couldn't just build a multi-purpose resort in the mountains somewhere for that kind of money. Seriously, why the need to have it in the middle of a major city? In fact, why the hype at all? It's not like the country gets to share in the benefits of the G20 meeting... mostly it's for the leaders and their staff. Why the need to get all grandiose with it? |
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Patong Dong
Joined: 06 May 2003
Location: On Nut
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that a billion seems extraordinarily high, but in terms of breaking it down where they said Pittsburgh only paid 18 million as a comparison is misleading. I believe that was not the cost of the entire summit, that was the cost to the city. The Feds and the state foot the majority of the bill on those things. That was just selective fact releasing to cause the biggest reaction.
And as far as peaceful protestors, there are ones that have a different tact in mind.
OCAP organizer John Clarke, speaking at Allan Gardens where the march began, warned that the protests will not be friendly.
"We march from here to confront the gathering of thieves and murderers and parasites who are assembled a few blocks from here," Clarke said.
"We've come here to challenge them and fight their agenda. We didn't organize some choreographed respectable gathering � quite the reverse. We're not looking for peace. They've given us war and we're looking to give them war back."
I think Captain Corea had a good point with building a purpose driven place for these type of things in a more secluded environment. All countries having a specific place that is their designated location for high profile international events would seem to make a lot of sense. However, common sense when it comes to being on the world stage has never been the hallmark of any ruling party of any political stripe. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I simply can't see why they can't do this over skype or msn. Or even use thousands to do some television conference. If this shows us anything it's that time and time again politicians get away with murder and are not held accountable. It's no risk and all reward for them - this has to change in my opinion. |
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Fox
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Toronto Gets 'Secret' Arest Powers Ahead of G20 Protests.
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TORONTO -- A government changes a law to allow police to arrest people without probable cause. It does so without any legislative debate. Then it keeps the change a virtual secret, until someone is arrested under those new powers.
The Soviet Union circa 1950? Nope. Try Canada, June 2010.
Civil liberties advocates and political activists are up in arms after it emerged Friday that police in Toronto have been given special powers to arrest anyone near the site of the G20 summit if they fail to identify themselves.
What's more, the government of the province of Ontario, which green-lit the new powers, didn't tell anyone about it until after someone was arrested under the new powers.
Thirty-one-year-old Dave Vasey was arrested near the G20 perimeter security fence in downtown Toronto Thursday afternoon after refusing to identify himself to a police officer.
�The officer told me, �I am going to have to place you under arrest if you don�t show your identification,� and I replied �I�m not comfortable with that,�� Vasey said, as quoted at the Toronto Star.
With Vasey's arrest, it emerged that Ontario secretly changed its Public Works Protection Act to allow police officers unprecedented powers of arrest. That law allowed police to arrest people if they fail to identify themselves to a police officer when inside a government building or near a "public works" project. It has now been expanded to include the area around the G20 summit, meaning a significant portion of downtown Toronto.
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The regulation kicked in Monday and will expire June 28, the day after the summit ends. While the new regulation appeared without notice on the province�s e-Laws online database last week, it won�t be officially published in The Ontario Gazette until July 3 � one week after the regulation expires.
According to the new regulation, �guards� appointed under the act can arrest anyone who, in specific areas, comes within five metres of the security zone.
Within those areas, police can demand identification from anyone coming within five metres of the fence perimeter and search them. If they refuse, they face arrest. Anyone convicted under the regulation could also face up to two months in jail or a $500 maximum fine. |
Toronto Chief of Police Bill Blair, who reportedly requested the arrest powers, denied Friday that it had been done in secret.
�We haven�t changed the rules," he said, as quoted at the National Post. "We have put up a fence. We have told people very very clearly that we will not be allowing the public access into that area. ... Our authority comes primarily comes from common law, but also by the regulation that has been passed by the province of Ontario."
But the assertion that the change wasn't secret was immediately challenged by reporters covering the G20 summit.
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More at the article. |
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