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Grammar Question - John and I or me and John?
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Taya



Joined: 09 Jan 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jessica goes to the same school as John and me.

Use "I" in the subject of a sentence. (John and I go to the same school as Jessica.) and use "me" in the object. You also use "we" in the subject and "us" in the object. At least, that's what their textbooks say.

My rule of thumb is to always stick to the rules in their grammar textbook because that is what they'll be tested on.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jessica goes to the same school as John and ________

Simply substitute all the subject pronouns and object pronouns and your ear will tell you the answer. In some cases they will both sound right, but the ones that hurt your ear will point you toward the right answer.

The answer is "me" by the way. Which was first explained on page one of this thread.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The smoking baby and tuxedoed Brit have it. Subject pronoun, object pronoun, possessive pronoun, and adjective (I,me,mine,my) Learn them, love them.

Remember, this isn't Nam. We have rules in English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQmQhA-OrM
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not as simple as some would like to believe.

Jessica goes to the same school as John and I/me.

Prescriptively, if "as" is being used as a conjunction...specifically a subordinating conjunction... the prescriptive answer is I.

'As' would be acting as the subordinator, and John and I are subjects of the dependent clause...the verb "do/go to" has been ellipted.

Prescriptively this would be the correct answer�with �as� as a subordinating conjunction (adverbial subordinator).

However�and this is an interesting point�if �as� can prescriptively be said to have the flexibility to be used as a preposition in this construction�then �me� would also be correct.

To shed light on this�compare:

Jessica goes to the same school that John and I do. (replacing as with that)
As a subordinating conjunction�that requires the verb do�it can�t be ellipted.

Jessica goes to that school because John and I do. (because/as)
As a subordinating conjunction�because requires the verb do.

Jessica goes to that school because of John and me.
Because of�is a preposition�and takes an object.

In this light�it would appear that as has more flexibility than other subordinators in this construction�perhaps it has the ability to be a preposition�and can take an object.

My take on this�if using the final verb�then as is being used as a subordinator�requiring a subject.

If there is no final verb�as can be used as a preposition�and therefore take an object.

Jessica goes to the same school as John and I (do). (As as a subordinator) � more formal

Jessica goes to the same school as John and me. (As as a preposition) � less formal

Both correct...just a thought�have fun with the thread.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^...thread killing posts. Question Wink
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