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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| I feel bad for the kids, but not the hagwan owners. |
Yes..what does the Philippines government got with holding on to kids that long?
A single larger plane could take them home, if they were minors they should have been released immediately to the embassy and sent home. |
They probably held onto the kids to set an example. I feel bad for the kids, but the government was within its rights to hold them. After all, the kids were breaking the law. Maybe this will encourage parents to be more careful in choosing their overseas programs (I don't expect it too, though). |
I don't really see it as a government's place to be setting examples with foreign state's children like that. The kids might not have had the proper papers but it is very unlikely that it was them breaking the law. That would come down to their parents and the schools. |
They are in a foreign country in contravention of basic laws with regards to the provision of education. What part of that do you not understand? They are breaking the law and - presumably - ignorance is not a plausible excuse, neither should it be as well. The government is fully within its jurisdiction to withold them. Its ridiculous some of the cr@p that gets posted on this site sometimes. Back to the drawing board Penfold! |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Where did I say a single restaurant owner???!? Where..? |
You didn't, I did, because frankly the word of a bigot only holds so much weight.
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Don't use the 'generalize' card with me because its actually restaurants en masse I know because I have seen signs written in Korean stating as much, as well both my Korean teachers and Korean friends having informed me of this and getting annoyed when they don't receive such offerings. You are way out of your depth talking about something you couldn't possibly know anything about. And I said specifically 'Korean restaurants in London' not all 70 million Koreans in existence. |
No, you specifically said:
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| I am not Korean - and proudly so. So no I didn't. |
You didn't say "I am not a Korean restaurant owner in London who only gives extras to card carrying Korean citizens".
You made it quite clear who you were addressing.
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| And your second paragraph is bull. I am not sure what 'That would possibly be one restaurant if anything out of you could be believed' means but they are racially profiling their customers and that is against UK law full stop. |
You just admitted they weren't. You're so full of hate and rage you can barely keep your story straight. You just stated above that you had korean friends who weren't getting the extras because they didn't have a citizenship card. That isn't racial profiling.
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| You are talking about Korea again. Why are you comparing one country's law to another? |
Why are you equating all koreans with the actions of a restaurant owner? One who you apparently can't even properly explain what it is he's done wrong.
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| What stands in one country does in any way, shape or form hold for another irrespective of whether you receive garlic bread. They come to the UK they should abide by UK laws, Koreans in ESL at least spend enough time telling us as much when we come here. |
Because you equated your butthurt with all Koreans, so I was giving you a further example of another Korean. You wanted to bring all Koreans into it, they're brought into it.
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Now haven't you got a Super Mario brothers game to get on with or something??
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oh.. you got me.. oh the pain the hurt..
I have a hobby and I actually write up stuff to help other expats and even go so far as to interact with companies in Korea and get them to fix broken websites in Korea so that expats can use them. I should probably follow your example and spend more time making bigoted rants about not getting extra rice half-way around the world and how proud that makes me that my parents found each other groping in the dark so many years ago and that I didn't pop out on this side of the planet. Yes, please lead us into the great age of enlightenment! |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: |
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At this stage I am simply debating with someone who doesn't know how to read and is simply making things up as he goes along.
I don't want to restate everything with crayons because that is basically what I have to do on account of your last post so just a simple question, who is using the family brain? Come back when its your turn again and you learn how to read.
Ahh i see another apologist with corperate 'connections' haha Don't give me that bull. What a kn0b you are.
| crossmr wrote: |
| stevieg4ever wrote: |
| Where did I say a single restaurant owner???!? Where..? |
You didn't, I did, because frankly the word of a bigot only holds so much weight.
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Don't use the 'generalize' card with me because its actually restaurants en masse I know because I have seen signs written in Korean stating as much, as well both my Korean teachers and Korean friends having informed me of this and getting annoyed when they don't receive such offerings. You are way out of your depth talking about something you couldn't possibly know anything about. And I said specifically 'Korean restaurants in London' not all 70 million Koreans in existence. |
No, you specifically said:
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| I am not Korean - and proudly so. So no I didn't. |
You didn't say "I am not a Korean restaurant owner in London who only gives extras to card carrying Korean citizens".
You made it quite clear who you were addressing.
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| And your second paragraph is bull. I am not sure what 'That would possibly be one restaurant if anything out of you could be believed' means but they are racially profiling their customers and that is against UK law full stop. |
You just admitted they weren't. You're so full of hate and rage you can barely keep your story straight. You just stated above that you had korean friends who weren't getting the extras because they didn't have a citizenship card. That isn't racial profiling.
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| You are talking about Korea again. Why are you comparing one country's law to another? |
Why are you equating all koreans with the actions of a restaurant owner? One who you apparently can't even properly explain what it is he's done wrong.
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| What stands in one country does in any way, shape or form hold for another irrespective of whether you receive garlic bread. They come to the UK they should abide by UK laws, Koreans in ESL at least spend enough time telling us as much when we come here. |
Because you equated your butthurt with all Koreans, so I was giving you a further example of another Korean. You wanted to bring all Koreans into it, they're brought into it.
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Now haven't you got a Super Mario brothers game to get on with or something??
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oh.. you got me.. oh the pain the hurt..
I have a hobby and I actually write up stuff to help other expats and even go so far as to interact with companies in Korea and get them to fix broken websites in Korea so that expats can use them. I should probably follow your example and spend more time making bigoted rants about not getting extra rice half-way around the world and how proud that makes me that my parents found each other groping in the dark so many years ago and that I didn't pop out on this side of the planet. Yes, please lead us into the great age of enlightenment! |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| They should have to get apostilled & notarised national criminal record checks before they are allowed to study in the Philippines. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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At this stage I am simply debating with someone who doesn't know how to read and is simply making things up as he goes along.
I don't want to restate everything with crayons because that is basically what I have to do on account of your last post so just a simple question, who is using the family brain? Come back when its your turn again and you learn how to read.
Ahh i see another apologist with corperate 'connections' haha Don't give me that bull. What a kn0b you are. |
I have no problem understanding what you're writing. You've made your bigotry quite clear. What kind of child feels the need to spell words with numbers anyway? You're a joke.
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| they are racially profiling |
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| my Korean teachers and Korean friends having informed me of this and getting annoyed when they don't receive such offerings |
You can't keep this straight. If it was racial profiling they would be getting the extra food.
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| And I said specifically 'Korean restaurants in London' not all 70 million Koreans in existence. |
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| I am not Korean - and proudly so. So no I didn't. |
You made your statement about how you feel about all Koreans loud and clear.
I also never said I had corporate connections, I said I interacted with websites to fix technical issues that were making them unusable for expats. If you're worried about people who can't read in this discussion you may want to hit the books champ.
When you've got the maturity to spell your words like a big boy, and the intellectual capacity to keep your story straight feel free to carry on, but bigots have rarely been accused of either of those things. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: |
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This is victim blaming. The money the parents paid was sufficient to cove the cost of the visa. This is a greedy wonjang problem. Seem familiar to anyone?
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| They should have to get apostilled & notarised national criminal record checks before they are allowed to study in the Philippines. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Incompetent South Korean government is so incompetent. The South Korean government should prevent their citizens (those poor kids) to land in the Philippines in the first place. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I am actually curious whether they are the students I meet on the plane going over. There was a large group going to study for 2 months and they seemed to be from Seoul.
One or two of the kids english was pretty good. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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That's a bit harsh. It is not their job to police for othe countries. Philippines Immigration should be asking more questions upon arrival and checking return tickets and addresses while staying in PI.
You get 21 days upon arrival in PI. These students clearly sayed longer than that. Solution? Stop issuing visa extensions in country for people who simply pay a small fee. Fine the heck out of them when they leave.
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| Incompetent South Korean government is so incompetent. The South Korean government should prevent their citizens (those poor kids) to land in the Philippines in the first place. |
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chellovek

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Holy crap my gf was working at one of those places with some students. I haven't heard from her since just before the date of that article, maybe she was arrested  |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's the Philippines' fault. If they didn't exist, there would be no problem.
Sound familiar? |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Incompetent South Korean government is so incompetent. The South Korean government should prevent their citizens (those poor kids) to land in the Philippines in the first place. |
What a retarded post. An estimated 600,000 Koreans are in the Philippines, most of them illegally, and hordes more go every day.
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| So the question is, is there some way we can make money off of this? |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Most of them? I doubt that.
A large number maybe, but much less than 50%.
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| Incompetent South Korean government is so incompetent. The South Korean government should prevent their citizens (those poor kids) to land in the Philippines in the first place. |
What a retarded post. An estimated 600,000 Koreans are in the Philippines, most of them illegally, and hordes more go every day. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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This article is from 2007 and so the number of Koreans in the Phils has skyrocketed and so has the probably the number of illegals.
BI: 240,000 Koreans in RP, but only one-sixth documented
By EDU PUNAY
The Philippine Star
The Bureau of Immigration (BI) said Sunday there are some 240,000 South Korean nationals currently staying in the Philippines � but only a sixth of them have been properly documented.
BI intelligence chief Attorney Faizal Hussin revealed to The STAR that based on the monitoring of their agents, over 200,000 Koreans do not have the necessary travel and immigration papers. Half of them have pending applications with the bureau while the rest are completely unregistered.
"In our records, only 40,000 Koreans have visas and permits and around 90,000 have pending applications. Now the others are illegal aliens. They are the usual tourists who extend their stay here without even bothering to register with the bureau," explained Hussin.
BI records showed some 11,000 Koreans are presently holding working visas and special work permits while 29,000 have been issued with special study permits and student visas.
The BI official stressed this number of undocumented Korean nationals could even be much lower than the actual figure, considering the continuous influx of Koreans in the country. The bureau has earlier estimated some 600,000 of them arrive here every year.
"I think it's becoming more obvious now that many Koreans are staying here. You can see them almost everywhere. The public knows about this. And we in the bureau are just doing our job of hunting down the illegal aliens," he explained.
Hussin said their intelligence information showed most of these illegal Koreans are involved in retail businesses in the country's economic centers like Baguio, Manila, Makati, Angeles, Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Cebu and even Boracay.
The immigration official also revealed most Koreans in the country prefer to stay here "primarily because of our lower cost of living and education as compared to their country."
Immigration Commissioner Marcelino Libanan earlier ordered a crackdown on undocumented Koreans who are engaged in illegal retail trade in urban areas across the country.
The BI chief said he would meet with local government officials and seek the regulation of release of permits to businesses in the country owned by foreign nationals.
He lamented how the growing number of foreign nationals who are working in several businesses without the necessary work permit from the bureau has become a "serious and big problem."
Libanan explained that foreign nationals who put up businesses here usually bring with them other aliens as workers without securing necessary work permits from government.
The BI chief was also particularly worried of the effects of proliferation of illegal businesses owned by foreigners on local traders, citing "unfair competition."
Under the country's retail trade liberalization law, no foreigner would be allowed to engage in retail trade unless he coughs up a minimum capital of $2.5 million. |
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