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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Never hung out much with the foreign labor involved in 3D jobs huh?


Sounds like you've been around too much methadone.

Native speaking language teachers are not expected to pay for their school's teaching materials etc in the UK and I bet not in the US, Canada etc. They are not expected to buy their students anything let alone provide food and snacks in lieu of sponging parents.

This is regardless of how long or short the foreign teachers' contract is. I doubt that the Korean teachers going to the US for limited periods of time to teach or those teaching under secure employment or decent limited term contracts arrive to find that they're expected to provide the curriculum and teaching materials plus food, drink or snacks or all three.

Speaking of which I had to laugh at the swollen pride of the Koreans getting excited over a story in the Korean media about an American kid asking a Korean teacher if there is tv in Korea. Laughing

This became 'all' the kids and naturally served to illustrate Korean superiority in just about everything. Personally speaking, I find that being asked to this day if the UK has 'four seasons' by Korean adults and being asked if I know that the 'swine' flu is reappearing in the UK because of no kimchi in the Brit diet are less excusable than a primary school kid asking someone from Korea about tv.

It hasn't occurred to those Koreans falling over themselves to tell me this and those who are reporting on it in the media that American kids watch a lot of tv and use the net a lot, and there is an awareness of the backwardsness of North Korea. Kids confusing the two Koreas have more reason than adult Korean teachers who tell me that "Ireland is the same as England".
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lithium



Joined: 18 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
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I have not yet discussed what needs to be done for winter camp with her, but have now been notified that she will purchase the items. I hope she has a school budget as the costs for her plan will run into the 200,000-300,000 won range.

Though I would also appreciate if she would make the time to contact me and discuss this camp. I feel that I am going to arrive next week to find her expecting me to know what she has and how I am supposed to use it with no information about what she is buying and how I am supposed to teach what she has.

I know its a rant, I know if I don't like it then leave, but after a while Korea becomes a home for some of us and we want to have some input into our schools decesions.

For those who are currently teacher trainers or advisers to the Education board, please advise them that a little bit of discussion or pre consideration of issues with the NET will be helpful to both.

If they ask me to meet them outside school hrs to discuss my classes and plans for the future I can make that arrangement so long as it is in both our benefits. Teachers here can do extra if it is useful, we are not all here as people who cant be employed anywhere else. Many of us long termers actually care about the country and want to be considered as more than a waste of space.


Are you kidding me? You have been out of school long enough to handle problems as they arise without having to come to a message board and rant. The idea of an education is to ascertain the best conceivable solution to a problem that benefits all parties involved.

You were given the task of completing a winter camp. Well, follow the outline from the summer camp and incorporate new, interesting ideas that relates to English. We all know how competitive Korean kids are, so include exercises where the kids are competing against each other. There are countless things you can do if you spen less time whining and more time working.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Never hung out much with the foreign labor involved in 3D jobs huh?


Sounds like you've been around too much methadone.

Native speaking language teachers are not expected to pay for their school's teaching materials etc in the UK and I bet not in the US, Canada etc. They are not expected to buy their students anything let alone provide food and snacks in lieu of sponging parents.

This is regardless of how long or short the foreign teachers' contract is. I doubt that the Korean teachers going to the US for limited periods of time to teach or those teaching under secure employment or decent limited term contracts arrive to find that they're expected to provide the curriculum and teaching materials plus food, drink or snacks or all three.

Speaking of which I had to laugh at the swollen pride of the Koreans getting excited over a story in the Korean media about an American kid asking a Korean teacher if there is tv in Korea. Laughing

This became 'all' the kids and naturally served to illustrate Korean superiority in just about everything. Personally speaking, I find that being asked to this day if the UK has 'four seasons' by Korean adults and being asked if I know that the 'swine' flu is reappearing in the UK because of no kimchi in the Brit diet are less excusable than a primary school kid asking someone from Korea about tv.

It hasn't occurred to those Koreans falling over themselves to tell me this and those who are reporting on it in the media that American kids watch a lot of tv and use the net a lot, and there is an awareness of the backwardsness of North Korea. Kids confusing the two Koreas have more reason than adult Korean teachers who tell me that "Ireland is the same as England".


Foreign Teachers aren't required to provide those things. I was given a 300,000 won budget.

When that happens to NETs, it sucks, but it is usually reflective of their relationship with their school and their ability to operate in a budgeted environment.

But back to the crux of things, suggesting that corruption is unique to Korea or is on some other level here, please. Migrant workers get shafted in any country. Bureaucratic games and whatnot exist in every country.

Are you seriously suggesting that the US/UK haven't had major corruption scandals in politics/business??? Are you seriously suggesting that immigrant labor in those countries doesn't get exploited???

Get a clue, go down to the seedier side of town and see what is happening.
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earthquakez



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails - you're confusing me with someone who originally mentioned corruption and skimming off the top in Korea.

We're not 3d workers - we're language teachers. The rhetoric of the Korean govt on English language learning says it all. And that's part of the point being made, which other people have said. Government funded education programs and schools in the UK have to keep to a number of laws and standards re equal opportunity etc including for foreign teachers, lecturers, exchange teachers etc and they do. If they didn't, the foreign teacher has access to legal assistance, equal opportunity, anti racial discrimination personnel and laws.

My focus is the teaching industry, specifically language teaching. Korean teachers going over for limited periods of time to teach in western countries' schools are not shafted the way it is not unusual here in Korea. The school system in the UK, for example, has always hired native language teachers and even when they're not on long contracts or permanent, they aren't seen as people you can wriggle out of paying all the dues to.

I could list more instances of public schools wriggling out of paying what they owe to public school teachers in Korea - EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE. When these programs fall under the Korean Government's system and influence,the onus is definitely on it to ensure that professionalism and lawful practises are taking place irrespective of a one year contract.

I know there are Koreans teaching in schools in the US and Canada and if you think they are told they are 3D workers who don't have rights then you're wrong.
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tanklor1



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like camps because they are low stress and fun.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
Steelrails - you're confusing me with someone who originally mentioned corruption and skimming off the top in Korea.

We're not 3d workers - we're language teachers. The rhetoric of the Korean govt on English language learning says it all. And that's part of the point being made, which other people have said. Government funded education programs and schools in the UK have to keep to a number of laws and standards re equal opportunity etc including for foreign teachers, lecturers, exchange teachers etc and they do. If they didn't, the foreign teacher has access to legal assistance, equal opportunity, anti racial discrimination personnel and laws.

My focus is the teaching industry, specifically language teaching. Korean teachers going over for limited periods of time to teach in western countries' schools are not shafted the way it is not unusual here in Korea. The school system in the UK, for example, has always hired native language teachers and even when they're not on long contracts or permanent, they aren't seen as people you can wriggle out of paying all the dues to.

I could list more instances of public schools wriggling out of paying what they owe to public school teachers in Korea - EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE. When these programs fall under the Korean Government's system and influence,the onus is definitely on it to ensure that professionalism and lawful practises are taking place irrespective of a one year contract.

I know there are Koreans teaching in schools in the US and Canada and if you think they are told they are 3D workers who don't have rights then you're wrong.


How exactly are we shafted at the schools by "Koreans"?

Aren't we shafted by the principal? As far as I can tell, experiences vary from school to school. I for one, did not have to pay for materials and got a bonus.

Also, we aren't certified teachers, unlike foreign teachers who go to the States. We are Native English Instructors. Apples and Oranges.
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Cerulean



Joined: 19 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi OP,

Sorry you're in this position. I have also had great plans for camp that have been squashed by lack of communication.

I did a cooking lesson for my summer camp and my students brought all the supplies including the pans, cooking utensils and portable ranges. They brought everything! Is this something you could do?

Also, I stopped relying on my co-t's for material support. My camp lessons require minimal cost and time. If they change something, I incorporate it a little to show good sportsmanship. If there would be a problem after the lesson is done, I would simply reply that I misunderstood their instructions.

And remember, saying that you can not teach because you didn't have a budget (or whatever) will not be taken well. You will look bad in the end.

How about changing the camp plan? Keep the themes but make it self sufficient?

I only rely on myself in my job.

Take care OP and I hope the vent and opinions have helped you create a game plan you are comfortable with.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do buy supplies for my camps, but that's only because if i didn't, then camp would be extremely boring and painful for both me and the kids. i think my biggest complaint this year is that the heating sucks! i'm in a freezing cold classroom with the same kids for 3 weeks with no curriculum or materials (other than a computer and whiteboard) and i get to listen to the freakin construction all morning long. if i have to spend a bit of money to make this eternity go by faster, of course i will.

plus, i think they've forgotten about me. one of the head teachers told my co-teacher to cut her classes short because it was so cold, but she didn't even teach for 2 weeks (she's a contract instructor too-- not an official teacher). no one has mentioned anything to me.

seriously, 3 weeks with the same kids for 2.5-3 hours a day!? not to mention i had most of these same kids for 3 weeks in the summer...

argh. it's just one of those days.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your coteacher is likely trying to make you look bad so she can get rid of you. That's my take.

Koreans aren't stupid. They may like to play the role around us, but behind the scenes they know full well what they are doing.

This is called Sabotage 101.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could be right Bobby.

Today is the start of the winter camp, when I was speaking to her last week I was assured that she had everything prepared and didn't want to make time to discus it.

Today thereis no sign of her or the other teachers just all my students are here and I have nothing. So it will be interesting, but if I dont find work I am calling it an end here in Korea, so it no longer bothers me.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to mix in a bunch of different games that you can play during the day to give them a chance to get up an move around. Some classics:

4 Corners
7-Up
Night at the Museum (One student is the guard, the other students are the displays. Guard closes eyes and counts to 5. The displays have to assume a funny face and standing position. At 5, guard opens his eyes and patrols the room if he sees someone move, blink, fidget, etc.. they are out. When the guard has his back turned you can move into a new position. After a minute or two, make a rule that you can only stand on one foot. After another minute make it so their hangs have to be up in the air)
DropCatch - Make a circle. Toss a ball to a student. In the air say "drop" or "catch". But the trick is it is opposite. So if you say drop they must catch it and if you say catch they must let it drop. If they mess up then they sit down.
SPARKLE - Spelling game. Make a circle. Say a word: Cat. Student 1 says "C". Student 2 says "A". Student 3 says "T" Student 4 says "SPARKLE" Student 5 is out. If you make a mistake you are also out.
Hot Feet - 2 soft balls. Make a circle. 2 students are in the middle standing up. Everyone else is in the circle. Roll and hit the balls along the ground (nothing over the knee). Try to make the ball hit the 2 in the middle in the leg. If it hits them they are out. No throwing or holding the ball. Only rolling.
Who Said It? - Make a target sentence. One student comes to the front and closes their eyes and turns around. Choose another student who will QUIETLY get up and move around the room. They will say the sentece in a funny voice and then go sit down quietly. The student in the front must guess who said it.

There is probably a list of a million games on this site for you. My feeling about it is that you can't expect the kids to sit for 3 hours in a row without giving them a chance to spend their energy. I usually teach for about 30-40 minutes then play a game for 10. Then back to the seats for the next lesson. Play another game. Do an art project together. Play one more game. Review and dismiss. Camp should be more fun than regular classes.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did you wind up doing?

If I were you, I'd talk to your coordinator and let them know your situation. I'd also speak to your VP to let them know about your CT.
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sallymonster



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread reminds me of what happened to me today. I had today's 3.5-hour camp all planned out, but of course my co-teacher had to come in and change everything. In fact, we did not do a single activity that I had planned, just her stuff. So much for the plans!
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
[q The K parents and their kids don't take snacks and drinks but will demand the foreigner turning up for the day gives their provisions to all.

s.


Rolling Eyes

Given that most foreign teachers do not eat (or only sparingly eat) the foods that the parents and kids like/usually eat that is highly unlikely.

Come now you expect people to believe that Koreans will just walk over to where a foreign teacher is standing and demand that he or she give them their food? I do have to hand it to you for coming up with an completely original complaint...because of all the gripes on Dave's I've never heard this one before.
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