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Troglodyte

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
Is anyone else curious as to what games were played?
OP give us details! |
I wouldn't mind a few more details as well. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jinks wrote: |
| toadkillerdog wrote: |
| Studies have proven that games are NOT very effective in the teaching of languages. |
Any links or references? |
Proof of the ridiculous? Of course not. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: student's mothers complain if game is incorporated in cl |
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| Mikejelai wrote: |
| An ESL teacher in South Korea is facing a problem on how to get the support of her Korean co-teachers and student�s mother on using game related activities to make her lesson more interesting to her learners. She tried incorporating games in class but parents and Korean co-teachers complained for they think it is a waste of time and money. Have you heard about this? What do you think? |
I was faced with this myself when I was in the hagwon racket. I used "games" that tied into the lesson, and re-inforced what ever point we were currently learning (no hangman or scrabble type games!). But they were "games", so moms complained so loudly to the boss, that he told me they were no longer allowed.
So I started laying on the homework. Pages of it. Every night.
I was back to playing my games less than two weeks later. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Games are okay for kids, but university students with no critical thinking skills can suck it when they whine for game time. Learn to write a freakin' sentence, for god's sake. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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If the games that were introduced are designed to enhance learning and related to the learning material to be covered in the lesson this should not be an issue or a problem.
If the game has little to no link to the lesson and is introduced as a time filler, then the parents have a point. |
You're always here canning others for supposedly not knowing what they're talking about yet you are completely missing the point. Teachers such as myself who have worked in 5 countries teaching English (3 in Asia) have done so because they can use all kinds of teaching methods successfully including games.
However, as you are somebody who is always telling teachers here to suck up unacceptable situations that real go-to sources of advice on everything (like Ttmpattz) give far better advice on, I have to wince at your idea that Korean parents are going to happily settle for a one year contract foreigner going their own way when educating Korean children. It's not on.
IF the parents are happy for games to be incorporated in any way, that's fine. Nobody's disputing this. However, I can tell you from my own and others' experience that there are plenty of hagwons who tell you that you will teach exactly as specified.
A lot of the time in Korea, foreign English teachers who get the boot from hagwons give exactly your reasoning for doing things that their boss or parents do not want or like: 'The games are designed to enhance learning etc...This should not be an issue or problem'.
The issue or problem here is in the eye of the boss and parents beholding. If they don't want any kind of games, then basically the foreign teacher will have to teach as told. Personally as somebody who has taught at institutions including hagwons in Korea where the school-approved text and curriculum must followed with no games, I obviously understand how to teach in that situation and keep the attention of students.
There are normal things you can do to establish a good rapport with your students, you can energise them by your personality, there ARE things you can do to make the class interesting without games no matter how much those games are relevant,
Many foreign teachers can't and I sympathise with them because some of these school and parent approved texts and curricula are not what I would implement if it were my school. But that's the point. If it's not your school you have to do what the boss and parents want, and if you can't create an interesting learning environment without bringing in games etc because you don't have skills in those areas then you have to go and work at a public school where you've more leeway. |
Actually calm down and read what I wrote.
I think the OP introduced learning oriented games and hence that this should not be an issue...or in clear for you: parents should not be complaining.
Games that enhance learning can and should be entertaining as well..hence the concept of LEARNING THROUGH GAMES which is a widely accepted method that produces great results, especially with younger learners.
The flip side of this, because it damn well exists, is that if you play games to fill time in your lesson, parents have a right to complain because they pay the damn tuition. Furthermore, many of the foreigners hired to teach english in Korea have no idea what they are doing. That comes with the territory when you are hired based on "a BA in anything". Such is life.
By the way, the rest of your post is EXCELLENT advice and I could not agree more. |
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earthquakez
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I apologise for misreading your post and having that dig at you. Thanks for the feedback.
I think we both agree that the best classroom environment is one where we can utilise creative and innovative ways of teaching but when that is not possible we just accept that and work within limits. I sound hard in my posts but while I am not a fan of some Korean ways, Koreans as customers in hagwons have every right to demand certain ways of teaching.
Having only taught in hagwons for some time now I am surprised that more foreign teachers don't make it their business to find out the kinds of expenses Korean parents have re private education. However, I wouldn't care if my hagwon were cheap (it's not) - it all depends on the goodwill of customers to trust us enough to send their kids for an English education.
Korea is usually a steep learning curve for the inexperienced. However, no matter how difficult your job is here there is nothing stopping you from developing a real rapport with most of your students (there are always a few who don't want to engage and that's not necessarily personal) and energising them through your personality and willingness to communicate with them. That's a key way to get over a bland or inadequate text/curriculum that you're forced to teach.
Much as I feel freer out of the public school system, it is the way to go for those who are frustrated by hagwon ways. You can usually teach in all sorts of ways at public schools especially when you have a co teacher who doesn't turn up. But even then I hear a lot about fresh teachers who have never taught English or worked in any related field and they arrived for their job in Korea without having picked up a book about teaching EFL/ESL or without having brought even a few worksheets or English workbooks which are easy to get in the countries where E-2 visa holders come from.
When I taught at public schools I never objected to taking such responsibilities as planning and teaching classes by myself - I only objected when the usually absent co teacher chose to stroll in at times after doing zilch re lesson planning, class discipline etc and then sat sleeping or whatever in the room. I also objected to their continual griping about how hard they worked when in fact they usually surfed the net or talked on their phone or slept in the teachers' lounge while I did their job as well as mine.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Great response earth.
It seems we have a very similar vision on teaching in Korea.
Take care out there. |
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Mikejelai
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
Is anyone else curious as to what games were played?
OP give us details! |
The kind of game being played in the classroom is not like hangman or scrabble type. The teacher uses communicative games and quiz bowl. However, she mentioned that she used hangman one time to review the vocabulary previously learned. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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The teacher should follow the policies of the school. Some schools have a reputation for serious study and no games. The mothers and students expect this policy to be followed, as they have the right to do. If management wants to enforce the policies that they have guaranteed to their students and parents, then teachers have to follow.
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| Say yes, and continue doing what you want to do. Remember you are never going to please everybody. |
This advice from Skippy may work with a wimpy boss or at a school where no one cares or no one knows what to do. But at a real school that actually teaches something, you will be terminated for cause and deservedly so. |
Your job as as a teacher is to teach, not play politics. If you have a proven method of instruction that is more effective, it should be used. To not do so makes you a poor teacher. It is up to the management to handle the parents. If the problem is a matter or work quality, thats an entirely different issue.
Any termination, while understandable, is not deserved if the teacher was doing his/her job and doing it well.
EDIT: not that these teachers should go against management's wishes, rather they should not be called teachers. More like sales associates. My issue is going against the very idea of what makes a good teacher, not insubordination. |
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