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cert43
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Catcalls? Like kah kah ( Kk) 
Hey Mr. Patoto- How are you? It's cyooh  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Once again, Steelrails, makes a weak comparison because he can't come up with something better. I'll give you an example here in Korea. I've met a fair amount of westerners here in Korea and, if they are American, they usually don't use the hyphen. That is, unless their Asian. It's usually Korean-American or Chinese-American. I've never had a non-Asian person from the US say up front that they are Irish-American or Italian-American. Never. Not once. Even back home. Of course, there are always a certain percentage that will identify with their heritage, but it is Asian-Americans who do this to a greater degree. A much greater degree. And it is because of this behavior that most people don't view Asians as being American. I must admit, when I'm back home and I see an Asian, I think that they are either a student or tourist. I don't really view them as being a true American and I think their attitude regarding where they are from has a lot to do with it. Proportionally, Asians do it more, and that is why they are alienated. Other groups do not. I think you've been watching too much Jersey Shore. |
AFRICAN-AMERICAN?
Are you serious that during St. Paddy's day you never met anyone claiming to be "Irish-American"?
I agree that its a problem and I don't like "Asian-American", but to suggest that no other races make a big deal about where they are from is ludicrous.
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| must admit, when I'm back home and I see an Asian, I think that they are either a student or tourist. I don't really view them as being a true American and I think their attitude regarding where they are from has a lot to do with it. |
That is your prejudice.
How can you claim something like that and then try and take the high ground regarding bigotry in Korea from Koreans?
Doesn't this attitude from you justify the "outsider" treatment from Koreans?
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| I'll give you an example here in Korea. I've met a fair amount of westerners here in Korea and, if they are American, they usually don't use the hyphen. That is, unless their Asian. It's usually Korean-American or Chinese-American. |
Usually because the follow up question or the look on their face is "Are you Korean (and can you help me order this) or Chinese or Japanese"
This is because a lot of times back home when they are asked "Where are you from?" the question the person is trying to ask, without being insensitive, is not "What city and state are you from?" but rather "Are you Chinese or Japanese or Korean". Saying Korean-American just saves time and means that the person gets their answer without having to answer the question.
Every Foreign-American knows that question tone and look of "Where are you from?" and what the person really means.
I mean if someone IN Korea asks where are you from are you going to say Suwon or Jeolla? Or are you going to say England or the USA?
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| I think you've been watching too much Jersey Shore. |
Never seen it. However if you are a West Coaster, then maybe try heading east to Boston or New York or Miami. Things are much more entrenched there.
Heck go to any boxing match featuring a Polish or Italian-American and then watch everyone come out of the woodwork. Go up and share your opinions face to face.
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| I think it's more of a first/second-generation thing. Last week I was in a taxi and saw the driver's name was West African, so I asked him where he was from. Then he said the Bronx, so I asked him where his parents were from, and he said Mali. If a guy's name is Nagy L�szl�, and I ask him where he's from and he says Ohio, I'll probably inquire into where his parents are from...and then I'll be able to create a personal connection, having lived in Hungary |
Exactly. While some people get offended by that question, and while it can be asked in a poor way, 99.9% of the time the intent is to create a connection and be friendly.
It's like the man hug. I personally don't car for the man hug, but the intent is good, so be in good spirits about the whole thing.
Having grown up in an incredibly international city with lots of foreign students and first-generation immigrants, its something that just happens. And people like it when you show a little knowledge about their old country, particularly because there are also the truly ignorant out there who ask incredibly dumb questions about their homeland. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Most koreans picture a non-asian person (usually white) when they think of "foreigner."
What a great example of a fear-mongering rally to collectivism. All the basic elements of brain-washing are present. |
You are joking, right? Because that was really funny.
And how the hell do you know that "most Koreans" generally picture "non-Asian" when they think of "foreigners"? Because if you could read basic Korean and see banner advertising "foreign marriage" you would know how untrue your statement is.
You ask Koreans about "foreign marriage" ads and 90% of the time they wills say brides from Vietnam, China, and other Southeast Asian countries. |
I'm guessing that fermentation can read basic Korean since he's a Korean citizen who is currently doing his required time in the military. I'd guess that might be how he can know what "most Koreans" think, as well. |
I don't know man. I was only born in Korea with Korean parents, went through six grades in Korea, and I'm now in the Korean Army living in a barracks with a couple hundred other Korean dudes and dating a Korean girl. It's not like I would know anything about being Korean though. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| So are you saying that Koreans don't think of races other than 'white' when they think of foreigners? |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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We're really going to come up with a solution for everyone this time round!  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
And guess what? It's not something to get THAT stressed over. 90% of the time people who ask the question, while it sounds insensitive and implies that you are not "a real American", actually are doing it to be friendly and break the ice.
People say Obama's not really black. |
Honestly, it's generally Asian-Americans themselves who perpetuate that more than anyone. |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
I see enough Canadians complaining on here about how much they hate being called an "American" in Korea. Welcome to what its like to be an Asian in a Western country. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| but the intent is good, so be in good spirits about the whole thing. |
Thats a good general guide to cross-cultural interraction.
Too many people (withoiut international experience) focus on the behaviour rather than the intention behind it. Thats where they come unstuck.
I sometimes put up with rather dumb Korean behaviour because I sense the vibe behind it is good.Some old guy puts his hand on my knee while reminiscing about the war? I might show discomfort but I'm not going to freak out exactly.
But on the other hand I can tell a racist in a few seconds no matter how polite they may at first appear. |
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JeffersonDarcy2010
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| markhan wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
Most koreans picture a non-asian person (usually white) when they think of "foreigner."
What a great example of a fear-mongering rally to collectivism. All the basic elements of brain-washing are present. |
You are joking, right? Because that was really funny.
And how the hell do you know that "most Koreans" generally picture "non-Asian" when they think of "foreigners"? Because if you could read basic Korean and see banner advertising "foreign marriage" you would know how untrue your statement is.
You ask Koreans about "foreign marriage" ads and 90% of the time they wills say brides from Vietnam, China, and other Southeast Asian countries. |
That's advertising a very specific service, not talking about "foreigners" in general. Apples and oranges.
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Koreans are the most thin skinned people out there. What a bunch of wimps. A few kids on the subway playing cards on the floor makes everyone go batshit crazy.
Oh, and as far as the asians in the US being asked where they are from. Well, perhaps if you remove that hypen, then people won't ask you so much. You are either American or you're not. Stop this, "Korean-American or Chinese-American" crap. As long as you do this, you will never be considered American. |
Or you will be considered more American as the whole concept is based on a melting pot idea, as there are no people who are "natively American" (well, there are, but our ancestors did a good job of marginalizing them.) "American" and "Korean" are not mutually exclusive.
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By the way, Obama's not black, he's biracial. |
Meaning he's black AND another race...
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| Once again, Steelrails, makes a weak comparison because he can't come up with something better. I'll give you an example here in Korea. I've met a fair amount of westerners here in Korea and, if they are American, they usually don't use the hyphen. That is, unless their Asian. It's usually Korean-American or Chinese-American. I've never had a non-Asian person from the US say up front that they are Irish-American or Italian-American. Never. Not once. Even back home. Of course, there are always a certain percentage that will identify with their heritage, but it is Asian-Americans who do this to a greater degree. A much greater degree. And it is because of this behavior that most people don't view Asians as being American. I must admit, when I'm back home and I see an Asian, I think that they are either a student or tourist. I don't really view them as being a true American and I think their attitude regarding where they are from has a lot to do with it. Proportionally, Asians do it more, and that is why they are alienated. Other groups do not. I think you've been watching too much Jersey Shore. |
I agree w/ the observation, but I think a lot of it has to do with how far removed you are from your immigrant roots. I'm 3rd generation born in the US, and I'm sure I'd feel quite differently if I was the first.
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
There's always caution when any minority gets labeled by their ethnicity. I don't mind being referred to as Polish or American, but then again I've never had a problem being either. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
He said asians may be getting tired of being called CHINESE or ORIENTAL not being called asian...
Read too fast there Jefferson?
As for Oriental, it is a term that is sometimes loaded with negative meaning. My wife is Korean and finds being called oriental insulting.
She gets called Chinese all the time back here in Canada and sometimes to a ridiculous degree along the lines of :
"You are Chinese right?"
"Actually I am Korean"
"Oh cool, so you speak Chinese"
She kind of gave up on that one as she feels she cannot win this battle, some people will just not bother. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:55 am Post subject: |
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
Whilst I've never thought his book was that fantastic, try reading this. I've never been fully convinced by the wider arguments, but he does offer some perceptive insights in to why Asians may not like being called oriental.
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JeffersonDarcy2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
He said asians may be getting tired of being called CHINESE or ORIENTAL not being called asian...
Read too fast there Jefferson?
As for Oriental, it is a term that is sometimes loaded with negative meaning. My wife is Korean and finds being called oriental insulting.
She gets called Chinese all the time back here in Canada and sometimes to a ridiculous degree along the lines of :
"You are Chinese right?"
"Actually I am Korean"
"Oh cool, so you speak Chinese"
She kind of gave up on that one as she feels she cannot win this battle, some people will just not bother. |
I know what he said, Patrick. But I also heard that they don't like being called "Asians" and that's why I asked. No need to attack now. Thanks for you response, anyway.
So, why does your wife feel that the word ORIENTAL is insulting? What's the reason? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I know what he said, Patrick. But I also heard that they don't like being called "Asians" and that's why I asked. No need to attack now. Thanks for you response, anyway.
So, why does your wife feel that the word ORIENTAL is insulting? What's the reason? |
You HEARD a SOME Asians don't like to be called Asian so you assume that applies to the majority.
Tell you what Jefferson, I heard that some people don't believe in the moon landings. And I also heard that some people think the Holocaust was a conspiracy. I don't understand why they think that. What's the reason? Can you explain it to me?
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
He said asians may be getting tired of being called CHINESE or ORIENTAL not being called asian...
Read too fast there Jefferson?
As for Oriental, it is a term that is sometimes loaded with negative meaning. My wife is Korean and finds being called oriental insulting.
She gets called Chinese all the time back here in Canada and sometimes to a ridiculous degree along the lines of :
"You are Chinese right?"
"Actually I am Korean"
"Oh cool, so you speak Chinese"
She kind of gave up on that one as she feels she cannot win this battle, some people will just not bother. |
I know what he said, Patrick. But I also heard that they don't like being called "Asians" and that's why I asked. No need to attack now. Thanks for you response, anyway.
So, why does your wife feel that the word ORIENTAL is insulting? What's the reason? |
Probably the same reason your wife doesn't like being referred to as a boyish chicken-suit wearer, even though she is. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Maybe it could just be that Asians were tired of being called "Chinese" or Oriental".
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What's wrong with calling Asians "Asians" or "Oriental"? I heard many times that they don't like it. To be honest, I can't understand why. Can anyone explain, please? |
He said asians may be getting tired of being called CHINESE or ORIENTAL not being called asian...
Read too fast there Jefferson?
As for Oriental, it is a term that is sometimes loaded with negative meaning. My wife is Korean and finds being called oriental insulting.
She gets called Chinese all the time back here in Canada and sometimes to a ridiculous degree along the lines of :
"You are Chinese right?"
"Actually I am Korean"
"Oh cool, so you speak Chinese"
She kind of gave up on that one as she feels she cannot win this battle, some people will just not bother. |
I know what he said, Patrick. But I also heard that they don't like being called "Asians" and that's why I asked. No need to attack now. Thanks for you response, anyway.
So, why does your wife feel that the word ORIENTAL is insulting? What's the reason? |
Why the need to call them anything? I mean, realistically, in your daily life how often do you need to call someone out on the continent of their ancestors? |
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