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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: dealing with korean life - mentality Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
sojusucks wrote:

Foreigners don't exactly have a high social standing in Korean society. Look at the racist propaganda they teach about us -- most notably in the countryside.


I've never really understood this. I live in the countryside - no Family Marts, no banks, no restaurants, etc. within 25-30 minutes car journey in any direction. I've seen more racism in Seoul than here in the countryside. What is this racist propaganda that is being taught in the countryside?




Agreed. I'm also in the countryside and I would like to know where this racist propaganda is.
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oldtrafford



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who gives a rats......bum!!

To be living in the Korean countryside means you must have committed many sins in your past life, the pain or my the pain!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Modernist



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Look at the racist propaganda they teach about us -- most notably in the countryside.

I teach in a pretty damn rural school and I've never seen any racist propaganda against foreigners. Not even Japanese or Chinese, let alone Westerners. My students don't really seem to have any particularly positive or negative views of me personally, and their overblown negative views of some aspects of the West/USA are balanced by their overblown positive views of other aspects.
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To be living in the Korean countryside means you must have committed many sins in your past life, the pain or my the pain!!!

Couldn't this as easily be said of 'trying to read/understand your posts?'
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: dealing with korean life - mentality Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
sojusucks wrote:

Foreigners don't exactly have a high social standing in Korean society. Look at the racist propaganda they teach about us -- most notably in the countryside.


I've never really understood this. I live in the countryside - no Family Marts, no banks, no restaurants, etc. within 25-30 minutes car journey in any direction. I've seen more racism in Seoul than here in the countryside. What is this racist propaganda that is being taught in the countryside?


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I teach in a pretty damn rural school and I've never seen any racist propaganda against foreigners. Not even Japanese or Chinese, let alone Westerners. My students don't really seem to have any particularly positive or negative views of me personally, and their overblown negative views of some aspects of the West/USA are balanced by their overblown positive views of other aspects.


Yeah, if anything the people here have had to ditch the whole "Boo to foreigners thing/racial purity" because with all the imported brides, that's pretty laughable and would cause chaos. Seems people out here are more progressive about that, whereas its the Seoulites in the rat race that will use anything to look down on someone.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friends are about compatibility and shared interests...thats kind of universal.

Now if you are the type of person who spues off things like "KOREANS are.... (insert comment here)" well then that says a lot about you and very little about Koreans.

I made many Korean friends in Korea, most foreign teachers I met that ventured outside the wayguk bar circle also made such friends. Others did not. To each his or her own.
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markhan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its kind of funny because I have never met anyone Korean who called himself as a "Jew-like," as majority of Koreans don't really know about Jewish. I say "funny" because its Western media press that have frequently compared Asian (Koreans included) with Jewish as they strongly emphasize education, family tradition, etc.

happiness wrote:
As a Jew, I disagree, always disagree when a Korean calls himself a Jew or Jew-like. Nothing alike, even our social structures are very different. K's have no Mitzva except to kiss ass of the one theyre under. Thats not bad, necessarily, thats just what they have to do. Korean society.

Nah, after 10 years here, I have only one male friend and I have seen him in two years (different cities). Men here have all kinds of shit they "have to do" to be a good son, a pious son, and they all involve whatever their parents say, which is usually the same.

Cant help it, the Japanese are capitalistic, the Chinese are communistic, and the Koreans are in between, but closer to a socailist mindset, but not a socialist reality.

I have no problem if a hot chick wants to use me for English, but I speak Korean, and ive never let anyone make a fool of me (except for my kids Smile _)

Yes, thats why they allow NETS to make/save so much money, if not, who would come, besides a few adventurous souls. Its a fine place, Korea, the place is fine.
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ZIFA



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
Someone once described them as a "closed shop" though I guess that could be true for many people in many countries


Exactly.
gotta love the way westerners expect the world to welcome them like kings just because they're white and are from an (apparently) more advanced country.

This ain't thailand or Japan. They don't swoon at the sight of whiteness. They will judge for who you are as a person first.


In any case you are being highly unrealistic if you expect to be welcomed on the basis of being foreign.
Just think for a minute. When you're at home do you go around befriending temporary foreign immigrants? How do you treat foreigners who don't speak english? Do you immediately try to speak their language and then welcome them into your inner circle of best friends that you've known for years?

AsiaESLbound wrote:
With the pretentious feelings high materialism invokes, it's difficult to impossible to connect with others in a meaningful manner.

There is the materialism, but thats only really a big deal if you're 20 years old or something silly.
I think its more a case of being unable to think outside of the box. And a certain judgementalism, based on their own lack of imagination.

But these traits are common to every country of the world. Including the west. Particularly people who haven't travelled at all.


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tiger fancini



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: dealing with korean life - mentality Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
sojusucks wrote:

Foreigners don't exactly have a high social standing in Korean society. Look at the racist propaganda they teach about us -- most notably in the countryside.


I've never really understood this. I live in the countryside - no Family Marts, no banks, no restaurants, etc. within 25-30 minutes car journey in any direction. I've seen more racism in Seoul than here in the countryside. What is this racist propaganda that is being taught in the countryside?


It's a figment of sojusucks's imagination.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is just terrible.

People are people. Everyone is different. I think you will find many different individuals here with many different outlooks on life from xenophobia to ultra-progressive-liberal.

Are Koreans and Jews the same? Well, which Korean and which Jew are you talking about? Is there a Korean Woody Allen? Is there a Korean Benjamin Netanyahu (sp?)?

Come on. What are we really talking about? Stereotypes?

The few good posts I saw is that making friends in Korea is a lot like making friends any place else. It really helps if you have something in common.

Then, there is all those well, I live in the countryside and I've never experienced racism falacy. This is one of the worst kind of posts. These type of posters expect everyone to have had their experience, otherwise they deny other people's experience.

Here is my advice - if you are really interested in Korea and coming to Korea - just come and find out for yourself. And, take everything you read on Dave's with a grain of salt. And, remember the Chinese are not Communists (though there government is), the Japanese are not capitalists (they have a surprisingly mixed economy) and the Koreans are not somewhere in the middle (though their government might be) - there are hundreds of millions of people in East Asia and they all have different personalities, different ideas about politics, race and economics.

Think about it. Experience it. Make your own conclusions.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
This thread is just terrible.

People are people. Everyone is different. I think you will find many different individuals here with many different outlooks on life from xenophobia to ultra-progressive-liberal.

Are Koreans and Jews the same? Well, which Korean and which Jew are you talking about? Is there a Korean Woody Allen? Is there a Korean Benjamin Netanyahu (sp?)?

Come on. What are we really talking about? Stereotypes?

The few good posts I saw is that making friends in Korea is a lot like making friends any place else. It really helps if you have something in common.

Then, there is all those well, I live in the countryside and I've never experienced racism falacy. This is one of the worst kind of posts. These type of posters expect everyone to have had their experience, otherwise they deny other people's experience.

Here is my advice - if you are really interested in Korea and coming to Korea - just come and find out for yourself. And, take everything you read on Dave's with a grain of salt. And, remember the Chinese are not Communists (though there government is), the Japanese are not capitalists (they have a surprisingly mixed economy) and the Koreans are not somewhere in the middle (though their government might be) - there are hundreds of millions of people in East Asia and they all have different personalities, different ideas about politics, race and economics.

Think about it. Experience it. Make your own conclusions.


Well said.
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Jotun_Symph



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try doing activities besides hanging out, talking or drinking with them. In my experience, Koreans open up much more if you share a common passion for something; in my case, hiking, baseball, and playing the guitar. Everybody has hobbies, but Koreans tend to make their hobbies part of who they are much more than we do, and most are delighted to engage in sport/leisure with others of the same mind, foreigner or not.

On the flipside, most Koreans I've met who enjoy a hobby are borderline obsessed with it so that any other suggested activity is unacceptable :)
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gem



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OHIO wrote:
Outside of work, I seldom have anything to do with Koreans. There usually seems to be an agenda with them.


I agree and mostly interacted with foreigners outside of work. I met some cool Koreans though, who weren't fake and didn't have an agenda, but I still kept my distance.

Dating Koreans was positively out of the question though! No way would I want to be caught up unnecessarily in their culture.
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toby99



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best approach to living here is to take a "grin-and-bear-it" posture. Make friends with booze, and boozers, and accept the fact that life here for all the but the very wealthy is nasty, brutish, and long. Cutthroat capitalism is the name of the game and, in the Korean mind, if you can't spot the sucker in the room, you are the sucker. Come here, make your money to pay off your debts, etc. and get out. Shangri-la this ain't.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exactly.
gotta love the way westerners expect the world to welcome them like kings just because they're white and are from an (apparently) more advanced country.


This. For all the gripes I hear about Korean racism, which certainly have basis in reality, this form of racism is rampant amongst our community.

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They don't swoon at the sight of whiteness. They will judge for who you are as a person first.


And often cases of racism are in fact a Korean realizing that you're a moron and the NET thinking its because of "racism". Couldn't possibly be because they're acting like a clown in public.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
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The few good posts I saw is that making friends in Korea is a lot like making friends any place else. It really helps if you have something in common.

Then, there is all those well, I live in the countryside and I've never experienced racism falacy. This is one of the worst kind of posts. These type of posters expect everyone to have had their experience, otherwise they deny other people's experience.

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I said that about making friends. In fact I believe I was the first in the thread to bring that up.


I also said that I live in the countryside and I've never experienced racism.

But I would like you to show where I expected everyone else to have my experience or denied anyone else's.

I asked for an example of such racism (which is still to be shown). Mr. Steelrails also pointed out why such racism would be unlikely there.

Personally I need more than vague, unfounded, unsupported accusations to make a charge of racism stick.
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