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hapkido1996
Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| ...Simple 'learn Korean' posts here aren't adding anything to the discussion and come off sounding pretty condescending. |
Sorry, it wasn't meant to be condescending. I simply can't understand why someone would go to a country for a year and think that it's not worthwhile to learn more than a few tourist phrases. I enjoy learning languages. To me, it's not a burden or an unnecessary headache; it's an opportunity to expand my understanding of the world's cultures and the various ways of thinking about things. It's also power and independence. Calling my girlfriend for help is embarrassing and a last resort for me. But, to each his own. If you're not interested in figuring out how other peoples view the world, that's no skin off my teeth. Fair sailing to you. =) |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| wasn't meant to be condescending. |
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| If you're not interested in figuring out how other peoples view the world, that's no skin off my teeth. |
Dont make it so easy
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| a few tourist phrases |
also, since you are so in tune with local customs here, explain to me how you would go about the delicate matter of accusing someone of theft when its your word against his, in a country that has some very strong defamation laws, in less than perfect Korean? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| hapkido1996 wrote: |
| I simply can't understand why someone would go to a country for a year and think that it's not worthwhile to learn more than a few tourist phrases. |
For most people (those not exposed to a second language at a young age) Korean (as a language with an objectively large number of phonemes) is extremely difficult to correctly pronounce. (And by correctly pronounce, I mean pronounce well enough to be understood.)
It is more respectful to speak slowly using the world's lingua franca, than to butcher the language of the country.
Most Koreans have been studying (and have been exposed to) the English language for years and years and years. To think your Korean (starting from scratch) can surpass their English in a matter of months is rather arrogant (and insulting). |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Most Koreans have been studying (and have been exposed to) the English language for years and years and years. To think your Korean (starting from scratch) can surpass their English in a matter of months is rather arrogant (and insulting). |
And in many cases, the harsh reality. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| My taxi experiences in over 6 years in Korea have usually been fine (nothing especially good or bad), sometimes good (e.g. getting out and helping me with groceries), and rarely bad. Very rarely bad, actually. |
Agreed. Out of several hundred taxi rides, I can count on one hand the number I suspect of shenanigans. And in most of these cases, they may have the long/wrong route because they were following GPS, got lost, didn't know the area or made a wrong turn. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
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| wasn't meant to be condescending. |
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| If you're not interested in figuring out how other peoples view the world, that's no skin off my teeth. |
Dont make it so easy
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| a few tourist phrases |
also, since you are so in tune with local customs here, explain to me how you would go about the delicate matter of accusing someone of theft when its your word against his, in a country that has some very strong defamation laws, in less than perfect Korean? |
Well first of all you don't think about defamation. What, you think saying to a taxi driver "Hey you stole my money!" is going to lead to a court case? Get off your high horse, reality says hi from the taxi stand. Open your mouth and stand up for yourself.
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| Agreed. Out of several hundred taxi rides, I can count on one hand the number I suspect of shenanigans. And in most of these cases, they may have the long/wrong route because they were following GPS, got lost, didn't know the area or made a wrong turn. |
And I've got tons of stories about taxi drivers doing less than benevolent things. When you ride late at night, things get a bit wonky. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well first of all you don't think about defamation. What, you think saying to a taxi driver "Hey you stole my money!" is going to lead to a court case? Get off your high horse, reality says hi from the taxi stand. Open your mouth and stand up for yourself. |
In my situation, I did stand up for myself. The situation could have gone differently if the cabbie refused to back down. If he called the police or I did, then we are accusing each other of theft and I give the locals the edge when it comes to Koreans vs foreigners. My point is if the situation gets complicated, you need to know a lot more than a few phrases to defend yourself adequately. My high horse? How about the guy accusing me of being some redneck oblivious to the world because I dont speak fluent Korean? This thread is going off topic. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is definitely not any worse than back home.
If you want to experience being truly ripped off try going to Southeast Asia. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| In 15 years, I've only had trouble out of taxi drivers a couple of times. This is not counting a few who assumed I was an idiot and offered to take me on a 10-minute ride for like W50,000 or something like that. There's a lot more taxi-driver dishonesty in Thailand and Mexico, in my experience. Korea's taxi drivers are fine, on the average. |
this. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| My point is if the situation gets complicated, you need to know a lot more than a few phrases to defend yourself adequately. My high horse? How about the guy accusing me of being some redneck oblivious to the world because I dont speak fluent Korean? |
Bbud656 is right.
Korean is an extraordinarily difficult language to learn. It is very tough (and time consuming) to become conversant.
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I studied Korean for 2 years and 2 months and my level is so low it is ridiculous. I've made it through the first 3 books of the 6 GANADA Korean for Foreigners textbook series books. I speak a lot more Korean than your average foreigner, but I'm still struggling. Things have not become easy as I had imagined at the beginning of my journey.
I've heard from accomplished speakers of Korean and Japanese that it takes 3+ years to become conversational... 3+ years. |
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johnnyrook
Joined: 08 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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While I mostly have had good experiences with taxi drivers here I definitely wouldn't say the taxi industry here is as aboveboard as my home country.
When I first came to Korea in summer 2009, my gf and I were staying in a hotel in Jongno. We'd been out in Hongdae and we tried catching the subway back but it was late and the train ended up terminating at a station less than halfway, can't recall now but it definitely wasn't 신촌 or 이대, but we hadn't transferred yet, so I guess 아현 or 충정로.
As we came out to the street there was a bunch of men waiting at the exit propositioning people coming out to take taxis, and sure enough they asked us our destination and quoted a ridiculous price of 15,000 won. Bear in mind that everyone but me was Korean, this exchange occurred with my gf in Korean and she heard them quoting similar prices to the other Koreans, who all just ignored them and hailed taxis from the road, which we did as well. The guy who picked us up, on hearing the story, just laughed about it.
Now, I know this doesn't happen at every station; I've arrived late at night at Suwon Station plenty of times, but that's a big centre with taxi ranks, so I guess they can't pull that kind of thing at places like that, or maybe Suwon is just much more innocent than Seoul. But it definitely must be a persistent scam that goes on at many stations around Seoul, I mean what are the odds that a bunch of taxi drivers banded together and just decided to go and do that at that one station on that one particular night? Not likely.
The one other time I had a bad experience with a cab driver was a few months ago. My mum was visiting and we stayed in a hotel one subway stop from Seoul Station the night before her flight. The next morning we decided to take a taxi instead of the subway because going up and down subway steps really exhausts her and it was raining. So we got in this cab that was parked right outside our hotel, and after hearing that we were going to Seoul Station to go to the airport he kept pushing us to go all the way to Incheon Airport with him. Finally I said a strong no and he proceeded to take us on a huge detour before bringing us to the station. Ended up paying like 5000 won for a trip that was less than one kilometre.
I'm surprised to hear about taxi touts in the airport though. Never encountered them any times I've arrived alone there, and my mum has come to Incheon Airport twice where she's been on her own for a while because I was running late, and if there's anyone who attracts scammers like flies it's my mother, but she had no problems.
My gf is actually always reacting to taxi drivers with great indignation. In my experience it's quite common for drivers to drive a little bit more when asked to stop to click up an extra 100 won, which doesn't bug me in the slightest since it's less than 10 cents, but my girlfriend doesn't take to it too kindly. She rarely confronts them about it but she usually takes a while to calm down afterwards. She's also had a few unsavoury experiences taking cabs on her own where the drivers have been talking about sexual things and I think one guy even tried to proposition her. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
Korea is definitely not any worse than back home.
If you want to experience being truly ripped off try going to Southeast Asia. |
or china.
that said, it seems like i'm getting ripped off more and more over the past 24 months. i'm not sure what that's about, as my korean has obviously got better than what it was when i was a noob - yet i'm getting ripped off much more often.
are times really that tough? |
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hapkido1996
Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
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| wasn't meant to be condescending. |
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| If you're not interested in figuring out how other peoples view the world, that's no skin off my teeth. |
Dont make it so easy
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| a few tourist phrases |
also, since you are so in tune with local customs here, explain to me how you would go about the delicate matter of accusing someone of theft when its your word against his, in a country that has some very strong defamation laws, in less than perfect Korean? |
Well, if you're going to interpret everything I say as being condenscending anyway, I may as well just be condescending, eh? I'm not going to, but I get the feeling you're going to interpret it as such, anyway.
"Learn the language" is legitimate advice, regardless of which country you've chosen to live in. How many Americans complain about immigrants who don't speak English?
Nobody said it was going to be easy, just worth the effort. But it's not just language, either. It's body language and a sensitivity to context. Korea is a high-context culture; the US is a low-context culture. You can get a lot done here in Korea without saying anything, or with just a few indirect expressions. A taxi driver is not likely to try to rip off someone who speaks Korean. It's that simple. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| A taxi driver is not likely to try to rip off someone who speaks Korean. It's that simple. |
I dont think he tried to rip me off because I couldnt speak Korean. I think he tried because he thought I was drunk.
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| Learn the language" is legitimate advice |
For sure, and I do learn the language. I am just realistic about the amount of effort I put in vs the pay off in the short amount of time I plan on being here. I can get by in 95% of interactions just fine with the Korean I have learned and continue to learn casually. I still would rather spend my study time learning Spanish or Japanese because they are more important to me in the long run. To each his own. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| hapkido1996 wrote: |
| A taxi driver is not likely to try to rip off someone who speaks Korean. It's that simple. |
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I've routinely had them ask for extra money when cabbing back to Anyang from Hongdae; when it's just me and some other weigookin, they generally ask up front. When I go home with my girlfriend, they'll often ask for an extra 10,000 at the end of the ride. I think they're less likely to do so, but they'll still try. Remember, this is a country where women don't like to take late-night taxis alone because they actually fear the drivers. |
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