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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Most white guys don't realize that most black guys have a mark on their record. |
No, I assume most black guys have marks on their records.
I always attributed it to being racist though, but now I know better.
I'm being sarcastic by the way. And no, I didn't know that most black guys have marks on their records. Is this an actual reliable statistic or your own anecdotal experience? |
OK.The statement I made wasn't true. However it is true that most young black males in most American cities have at least an arrest record.
If you look at a city like Chicago, most black men are convicted felons, which is a lot more serious. Not only does it mean you can't come to Kimchi land and play apologist, it means you're pretty fcked for life and completely disenfranchised from society (Can't vote, can't get a job, can't even buy a firearm to protect your family.
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(2009 - incarceration rates for people of color) "Mass arrests and incarceration of people of color � largely due to drug law violations46 � have hobbled families and communities by stigmatizing and removing substantial numbers of men and women. In the late 1990s, nearly one in three African-American men aged 20-29 were under criminal justice supervision, 47 while more than two out of five had been incarcerated � substantially more than had been incarcerated a decade earlier and orders of magnitudes higher than that for the general population.48 Today, 1 in 15 African-American children and 1 in 42 Latino children have a parent in prison, compared to 1 in 111 white children.49 In some areas, a large majority of African-American men � 55 percent in Chicago, for example50 � are labeled felons for life, and, as a result, may be prevented from voting and accessing public housing, student loans and other public assistance."
Source: "Drug Courts Are Not the Answer: Toward a Health-Centered Approach to Drug Use" Drug Policy Alliance (New York, NY: March 2011), p. 9.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/DrugCourtsAreNottheAnswer.pdf |
I'd bet the stats are similar for any urban city with a large African-American population. But it's not about race - it's about poverty. And the fact is: many blacks are living in poverty and this is a major problem. In college, I took an African-American history and field studies class and we examined the toll that poverty had taken on the black urban community in the States - it wasn't pretty. Incarceration, drug addiction, teenage pregnancy, single-parent homes - all these problems were amplified in poor, black urban areas. Then in my twenties, I worked with disadvantaged children in a suburb of Los Angeles in a primarily poor black neighborhood. I kid you not. Every single black man I met had been in and out of prison, without exception. Also, everyone was living on welfare and food stamps. I'm talkin' generations and generations of blacks living on welfare and in many cases, totally abusing the system. The kids I worked with did not care about education and neither did their parents. They were ignorant, poor, and happy just to be able to cash their welfare checks and food stamps each month. Why? Well, we can have a longer discussion about the disenfranchisement of blacks throughout American history but I won't go there. I'm not saying these people suck because of their race. No, rather, it's because they are impoverished and ignorant. Education is key, yet they don't care about education. Thus it's a vicious cycle. |
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Riker
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Many immigrant communities came to the US and started in dirt poor communities yet remain clear of the woes facing American blacks.
I would say its more of a cultural issue than anything. The poverty issue is really just a political correct smokescreen because we can't call people stupid.
I'm guilty of it too, when a white person does something violent/dumb I call him stupid, when a black person does the same thing I call him "poor" |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
| I'm not saying these people suck because of their race. No, rather, it's because they are impoverished and ignorant. Education is key, yet they don't care about education. Thus it's a vicious cycle. |
Thus your mention of African-American blacks. Clearly, not race-related in your book.  |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Riker wrote: |
Many immigrant communities came to the US and started in dirt poor communities yet remain clear of the woes facing American blacks.
I would say its more of a cultural issue than anything. The poverty issue is really just a political correct smokescreen because we can't call people stupid.
I'm guilty of it too, when a white person does something violent/dumb I call him stupid, when a black person does the same thing I call him "poor" |
No, I wasn't using the word "poor" as a smoke screen for any other word. I meant to use "poor." When one is poor, ignorant, and uneducated, regardless of his/her race, the future probably doesn't look too bright.
"Many immigrant communities" weren't dragged to the US against their own will, forced to be slaves and told that they would be killed if they tried to get an education. While the Thirteenth Amendment may have abolished slavery back in 1865, we all know that blacks were still fighting for equal footing up through the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Like I said, the disenfranchisement of blacks throughout US history is a much longer discussion than a few quotes and dates being tossed around on Dave's ESL Cafe, and it's one that I'm frankly not in the mood to have.
That said, yes, I also think that the black community needs to take some responsibility for their own actions. When I worked with those kids in my outreach program, I was seriously disgusted by some of the abuses I saw. And by "abuses," I'm talking abuse of the welfare system, physical and verbal abuse (between adults and children and between adults themselves), drug abuse...every kind of abuse under the sun.
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
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| I'm not saying these people suck because of their race. No, rather, it's because they are impoverished and ignorant. Education is key, yet they don't care about education. Thus it's a vicious cycle. |
Thus your mention of African-American blacks. Clearly, not race-related in your book. |
You're an idiot. If you look at the previous messages in this thread, people were clearly discussing African-Americans. If you're teaching English, then maybe it's best to find another job - one where reading comprehension is not a requisite skill. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
| I'm not saying these people suck because of their race. No, rather, it's because they are impoverished and ignorant. Education is key, yet they don't care about education. Thus it's a vicious cycle. |
Thus your mention of African-American blacks. Clearly, not race-related in your book. |
You're an idiot. If you look at the previous messages in this thread, people were clearly discussing African-Americans. If you're teaching English, then maybe it's best to find a job where reading comprehension is not a requisite skill. |
So, other people speak about African-Americans and somehow that reenforces your faulty logic?
Not only are you pigeonholing by incorrectly connecting poverty, ignorance, and education...you also conveniently throw in race to somehow present a broader, erudite, answer for why those African-Americans you assisted suffered from a higher rate of crime. Generalization on a grand scale. No, no idiocy there.
By the way, I come from a predominately African-American community, likely know more African-Americans than you, and believe it or not few of my friends have FBI backgrounds. Thankfully, I realize the world is much bigger than my community and that I have no clue who you are or how many African-American friends you may have or know.
Point being: It's sometimes a good idea to realize when you're being a bigot (and a racist). |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Freakstar wrote: |
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| I'm not saying these people suck because of their race. No, rather, it's because they are impoverished and ignorant. Education is key, yet they don't care about education. Thus it's a vicious cycle. |
Thus your mention of African-American blacks. Clearly, not race-related in your book. |
You're an idiot. If you look at the previous messages in this thread, people were clearly discussing African-Americans. If you're teaching English, then maybe it's best to find a job where reading comprehension is not a requisite skill. |
So, other people speak about African-Americans and somehow that reenforces your faulty logic?
Not only are you pigeonholing by incorrectly connecting poverty, ignorance, and education...you also conveniently throw in race to somehow present a broader, erudite, answer for why those African-Americans you assisted suffered from a higher rate of crime. Generalization on a grand scale. No, no idiocy there.
By the way, I come from a predominately African-American community, likely know more African-Americans than you, and believe it or not few of my friends have FBI backgrounds. Thankfully, I realize the world is much bigger than my community and that I have no clue who you are or how many African-American friends.
It's sometimes a good idea to realize when you're being a bigot (and a racist). |
Just because you know how to use the word, "erudite" correctly doesn't mean that you have reading comprehension skills. Your spelling skills could use some improvement as well. Here's a clue: predominantly. Here's another clue: reinforces. Also, you seem to have trouble completing full sentences. "Thankfully, I realize the world is much bigger than my community and that I have no clue who you are or how many African-American friends."
Good day to you. I have better things to do with my time than argue with an ESL teacher on Dave's ESL Cafe who lacks reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar skills.  |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Cleaerly, you're argrumentation has greadly improvved via pedantic verisimilitudes and a clear ability to stick to the point and argue without resorting to semantic sophistry and a better spell checker. (Not!)
So, what exactly is your point? How exactly do poverty, education, and being African-American correlate to raising or lowering the potential of having a U.S. FBI background? The correlations are faulty to say the least. Care to focus on your point and explain without the derisive commentary?
(I bet those spelling & grammar errors up there severed their point. Like bullets to the eyes. Bang! Bang!) |
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