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[Mankind]

Interesting so far. What made me pose the question (besides it happening) was that I had mixed feelings about the guy. As a rule I don't care what people do here, in the way of its legality (yes I teach privates), because it really has little affect on me. But this illegal guy wasted shit loads of my time. I had to read the resume, interview check, all the sources, than bam everything he said was a lie.

My thoughts on some of the things brought up.

Degrees matter. What it says about a person is that you can commit 4 years to something and do it. It does make you a better teacher in that you understand academics to a greater degree. No huge impact on the teaching but likely a big on in maturity and organization.

Unqualified people (for what thats worth) actually make this industry look even worse than it already does.

Kiwiboy brought it up first

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[CanadaCommando]

K. If the morality of the question is whether or not you should rat the guy out because he wasted your time (not cuz of the legality of it), then that's a different moral issue all together. Depends on who you are, and how annoyed you feel. If you feel nothing but ill towards the guy because he wasted hours of your time, and you feel like throwing a lil vengence his way, then reporting him to immigration will certainly cause the wanted discomfort. I wouldn't do it myself as I hate to put that kinda hurt on a guy.

As for the qualification question; sure, 4 years of University changes a person...can make them stronger and help them organize their thoughts. But to group a person into Qualified and Un-Qualified based solely on whether or not he/she has a degree is unrealistic. I would say that 90% of all teachers here start Un-Qualified and move on from there. The very fact that ESL teachers look so bad already is because there is too many under-qualified degree holders here.

[mudguts]

you don't need a degree to teach english.. you need a degree to get the job.
hell, I took Math. how the heck was that supposed to help me teach a kid english.???
let the guy be... judge him by his students performance, not by his marks.

[Homer]

[mudguts]

[Homer]

I do and teach....simple enough no?

Also remember that (since we are trading cliches):

You only get out of a job what you put in.

Knowing is half the battle.

It aint over till the fat lady sings.

[jajdude]

I'd keep my mouth shut.

I am very good at that.

[TheUrbanMyth]

I can't believe so many people here are advocating to let a fake degree holder in. Maybe some of them have reason to sympathize with the person.


It does not matter whether he may or may not be a good teacher. It ONLY matters that he has a degree. It is the legal requirement. The fellow is breaking the law, pure and simple. I'd report him to Immigration.

Why? Not because he was wasting your time, but simply because he took a gamble and lost. He should therefore be prepared to face the consequences, much like those who do privates. If you do privates, fine. But don't come crying to the board about it, if you get caught. You knew the consequences (and had fun mocking the "straights") now deal with it.

Same deal applies to those who come with fake degrees. Their days are numbered anyway. With the increasing numbers of people coming to Korea to teach, Immigration can afford to be more choosy. Standards will start going up, hopefully sooner then later.

[Mosley]

Urban Myth...

Yep, what he said....*bump*

[CanadaCommando]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[CanadaCommando]

[Eunoia]

[Alyallen]

So Mankind, what did you do to the liar anyway? Did you pick one of the poll choices or went an alternate route?

A degree does not make a great teacher but when it is a requirement for a job, either you can fulfill that requirement or you are wasting someone's time. Wasting someone's time by lying about one's credentials would certainly not make me feel as if I owe this liar any favors.

I really do agree that a degree does not necessarily make a good teacher but that is not the point in all this. The OP can either give this person a job knowing that he can cost the school money and possibliy the school's and OP's reputation. OR he can let the consequences teach its own lessons for this person.

Liars do not deserve our sympathy. Lying is a slap in the face and shows a lack of character.

*of course, there are situations when lying is not the worse thing in the world but this is my opinion in this specific situation.

[Zyzyfer]

Every foreigner in Korea requires a degree to work here. Why should this guy be any exception? It doesn't even boil down to qualifications; it boils down to the fact that he would be working illegally. This ain't jaywalking...