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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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These guys are screwed. They didn't just urinate on dead Taliban, they urinated on everyone from the President down.
It absolutely amazes me they felt comfortable videotaping them doing something like that and putting it on Youtube. I hope some officers heads roll over this too. |
What absolutely amazes me is that everyone gets all hot and bothered when these things happen to anyone but Americans. When dead Americans were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, no one cried foul. When Americans get their heads lopped off, and are gutted like animals, no one is bothered. But God forbid when American soldiers piss on their enemy, because it's the crime of the century. Guess what? No one cares anyway. You can blog about your anger all you want, but you can't do shit.  |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| I have trouble imagining myself pissing on a human corpse, under any circumstances. Others having done worse would make it OK somehow? |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| I have trouble imagining myself pissing on a human corpse, under any circumstances. Others having done worse would make it OK somehow? |
Then you would probably have a difficult time killing someone, even if they were trying to kill you. It's okay, I'd have trouble killing someone as well...not everyone is wired for that sort of thing. But when you're a soldier, a killer, who makes the grass grow with the blood of your enemy, then pissing on the guys that are probably responsible for many of the deaths in your company, or battalion, is no big deal.
We are just errand boys, sent by the grocery clerk, to collect the bill. Direct your anger where it should be going - at the political, and ideological hatred and religious whackjobs-->(everywhere) that are behind the whole mess. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| silkhighway wrote: |
These guys are screwed. They didn't just urinate on dead Taliban, they urinated on everyone from the President down.
It absolutely amazes me they felt comfortable videotaping them doing something like that and putting it on Youtube. I hope some officers heads roll over this too. |
What absolutely amazes me is that everyone gets all hot and bothered when these things happen to anyone but Americans. When dead Americans were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, no one cried foul. When Americans get their heads lopped off, and are gutted like animals, no one is bothered. But God forbid when American soldiers piss on their enemy, because it's the crime of the century. Guess what? No one cares anyway. You can blog about your anger all you want, but you can't do shit. |
That's not true at all. Both these incidents were deeply disturbing. They made a movie about the Mogadishu incident, how much more press could it possibly get?
And again, we're supposed to be the good guys. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| A war crime is a war crime, whether you agree that the war is a just cause or not. I don't buy it that these types of incidents are inevitable, especially when there are at least five troops involved and they are apparently comfortable doing it in front of a camera and posting it on Youtube. |
Of course these incidents are inevitable. They have happened in every single war and will continue until all wars are fought by robots.
And is pissing on dead bodies an actual war crime - against the Geneva Convention? |
Desecrating the dead is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. It's not that they peed on the bodies that I find disturbing, it's that they were comfortable doing it, videotaping it, and putting it on Youtube. Either these guys are nasty pieces of work who defied their chain of command and military training, or there had to be complacency in the chain of command for them to be comfortable to do this.
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| I have trouble imagining myself pissing on a human corpse, under any circumstances. Others having done worse would make it OK somehow? |
Then you would probably have a difficult time killing someone, even if they were trying to kill you. It's okay, I'd have trouble killing someone as well...not everyone is wired for that sort of thing. But when you're a soldier, a killer, who makes the grass grow with the blood of your enemy, then pissing on the guys that are probably responsible for many of the deaths in your company, or battalion, is no big deal.
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I don't buy this at all. You're excusing lawlessness. A soldiers responsiblity is to follow orders and their chain of command. These guys did nothing but make their job harder for everyone involved by feeding propoganda to the Taliban. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe what you say is true for the civilized world, where no one is shooting at you, but in the real world, 99.99% of combatants do whatever they please.
I probably don't need to remind you of the cruelty and sadistic things many, many other countries have done during war, so in the big scheme of things, this pissing match was just a tiny blip. 
If American soldiers had one word to sum up the Taliban and other Afghan forces they come up against, that word would be "ruthless". There's a reason for that. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
But their governments did, and they reap the benefits. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| silkhighway wrote: |
These guys are screwed. They didn't just urinate on dead Taliban, they urinated on everyone from the President down.
It absolutely amazes me they felt comfortable videotaping them doing something like that and putting it on Youtube. I hope some officers heads roll over this too. |
What absolutely amazes me is that everyone gets all hot and bothered when these things happen to anyone but Americans. When dead Americans were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, no one cried foul. When Americans get their heads lopped off, and are gutted like animals, no one is bothered. But God forbid when American soldiers piss on their enemy, because it's the crime of the century. Guess what? No one cares anyway. You can blog about your anger all you want, but you can't do shit. |
I'm not sure what everyone else did, but I "cried foul" at those actions. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
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Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
But their governments did, and they reap the benefits. |
Not in the majority of cases, i.e. Iraq, Vietnam, et al.
Far from reaping any benefits, millions of citizens have perished/have had their lives shattered.
The poster children for US as global policeman, Japan and South Korea, have the highest rate of suicide in the OECD, a widening gap in income disparity, and round-the-clock study/autmoton work as the story of their citizens' lives. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
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| Stout wrote: |
Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
But their governments did, and they reap the benefits. |
Not in the majority of cases, i.e. Iraq, Vietnam, et al.
Far from reaping any benefits, millions of citizens have perished/have had their lives shattered.
The poster children for US as global policeman, Japan and South Korea, have the highest rate of suicide in the OECD, a widening gap in income disparity, and round-the-clock study/autmoton work as the story of their citizens' lives. |
You are all over the place. What does Korean work ethic have to do with the US policing the world. And it is a majority of cases that we are talking about. Pretty much every European country, Canada, Mexico, North Asia, including every country that ships things across the Pacific Ocean. They have all benefited from not having to spend as much on defense had the US not been there. Even China loves the fact they the US keeps the trade lanes open so China can spend their money on other things.
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
But their governments did, and they reap the benefits. |
Not in the majority of cases, i.e. Iraq, Vietnam, et al.
Far from reaping any benefits, millions of citizens have perished/have had their lives shattered.
The poster children for US as global policeman, Japan and South Korea, have the highest rate of suicide in the OECD, a widening gap in income disparity, and round-the-clock study/autmoton work as the story of their citizens' lives. |
You're trying to pin that stuff on the U.S and the U.S Military?
Please, please stop posting. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Plain and simple, a lot people 'round the globe resent being invaded/meddled with.
Who gave the US the right to be the global policeman?- Not the majority of the people on this planet. |
When the US pursued a policy of non-intervention/isolationism the world got WW1 and WW2.
Since the US took the stand of "policing the world" you've seen the collapse of the Soviet Union, no more world wars, and a world stable enough to see the sudden expansion of globalization. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, after the US military goes in and wrecks havoc, the US gov't has no hand in setting up how the new regime operates, right 
As for world trade and shipping lanes, countries were actively and successfully pursuing those activies prior to US "security". U can also note that the threats to shipping come overwhelmingly from people who are at odds with US military/geo-political global policy. |
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