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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Julius wrote: |
| who'sYourDaddy wrote: |
| I could have done the job after high school. |
That may be so but the whole point of being an employer is to acquire the best candidates for the job possible, is it not?
Why make do with cotton when you can have silk?
If I was in charge of the E2 visa i'd tailor it to match the US unemployment rate.
US Unemployment 0%= Accept anyone with a pulse
US unemployment 3%= apostilled CBC, degree
US unemployment 6%= apostilled CBC, degree, 1 yrs exp, and CELTA.
US unemployment 9% = apostilled CBC, degree, 2 yrs exp, CELTA
US unemployment 10 %= apostilled CBC, degree in English/ linguistics/ education, 2 yrs exp and a CELTA. |
Or you could pay less, save a few billion won, and get similar results. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Typical yank. The world revolves around us attitude.
What about the UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa?
Yanks don't own the English language.
Thank God that country's wealth and power are in terminal decline.  |
The US has about 100 million more citizens than all of those countries combined. It's not American jingoism to say that the States will have a disproportionate effect on supply, it's common sense. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Typical yank. The world
revolves around us attitude.
What about the UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand
and South Africa?
Yanks don't own the English language.
Thank God that country's wealth and power are in terminal
decline. |
The US has about 100 million more citizens than all of those
countries combined. It's not American jingoism to say that
the States will have a disproportionate effect on supply,
it's common sense. |
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_422.asp
Flat population is irrelevant, it would be based on amount of bachelor degree holders. For example, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland have far more bachelor degree holders per 100 people than the US. Smaller countries yes, but that affects supply.
You also have to take into account unemployment rates of degree holders, not just flat unemployment rates. Even then raw unemployed degree holders isn't indicative of supply. There are various factors that would affect true supply, including the willingness of that group to work overseas, and other things.
now having such a large population advantage would probably still leave the US in the lead, but perhaps not to the great margin you imagine. As I already pointed out, despite having 10x the population, they only have a small percentage more of the english teachers here than Canada does. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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12ax7
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Wow. Those are some amazing statistics (also with similar stats on wikipedia and the Kings College (London) International Center for Prison Studies).
1. US ............... 715 cons per 100k of population.
10 S.Africa ......... 402 cons per 100k of population.
55. NZ ............... 160 cons per 100k of population.
59 UK ................ 148 cons per 100k of population.
73 Canada ......... 116 cons per 100k of population.
73 Australia ........ 116 cons per 100k of population.
110 Ireland ........... 72 cons per 100k of population.
Korea should start looking at some serious recruitment in Ireland. Their unemployment rates are high enough to make Korea attractive.
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Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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I've been doing this job since 2000. I swear that every single year people claim that there will be or is some huge influx of US citizens that will change everything.
My last job hired a foreign (as in Caucasian) principle who recited that mantra as he greatly increased everyone's workload. Of course I left and it took me four days to find a new (better) position. One month later and he's still looking for my replacement. My new employer is screaming for help. The same thing happened to me 6 years ago. I swear I won't ever work for a Caucasian again.
The job board here is just as full as it ever was except recruiters more than individual schools. The pay is up slightly except for a lot more 2.5+ jobs than I've ever seen but the won is down.
This isn't any old 9-5, visit mom on Sundays job. One can't just walk around with resumes or such. This job requires planning, money and commitment. Not to mention personal traits that just aren't common. I seriously doubt that the number of EFL teachers can go up enough to justify any change from business as usual for any responsible, serious, experienced school.
Asia is big, the demand for teachers has never met the supply. It never will. Perhaps the number of tire kickers has gone up. The number of help wanted signs sure haven't changed. That's my criteria.
If you actually have teaching credentials and experience back home then the world is your oyster if living and teaching in a foreign culture is your thing. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| if you are already established and have many years of teaching in SK then you dont have to worry, everyone else will have a progressively harder time getting their foot in the door. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Korea should start looking at some serious recruitment in Ireland. Their unemployment rates are high enough to make Korea attractive. |
Lol you'd have to do something pretty serious to get a criminal record in Oirlund. The gards ain't gonna put down their pints for anything less than a full-blown homicide.
America, conversely, criminalises folks for breathing. and other normal everyday activities.
| Dalton wrote: |
| Asia is big, the demand for teachers has never met the supply. It never will. |
Sure, there are jobs in china where the pay and air pollution is so bad that they will never be filled.
but if we're talking Korea, then yes supply met and dramatically surpassed demand in the second half of 2009.
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| The job board here is just as full as it ever was except recruiters more than individual schools. |
Not at all. the meagre fake listings trotted out by recruiters nowadays do not compare to avalanches of vacancies thrown at any potential jobseeker in eg 2006.
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| The pay is up slightly |
Pay for the average waeg may be 1% higher than in 2001 but the cost of living has basically doubled in the same time period. |
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emmajuno
Joined: 11 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Pay is down for GEPIK. |
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Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Korea should start looking at some serious recruitment in Ireland. Their unemployment rates are high enough to make Korea attractive. |
Lol you'd have to do something pretty serious to get a criminal record in Oirlund. The gards ain't gonna put down their pints for anything less than a full-blown homicide.
America, conversely, criminalises folks for breathing. and other normal everyday activities.
| Dalton wrote: |
| Asia is big, the demand for teachers has never met the supply. It never will. |
Sure, there are jobs in china where the pay and air pollution is so bad that they will never be filled.
but if we're talking Korea, then yes supply met and dramatically surpassed demand in the second half of 2009.
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| The job board here is just as full as it ever was except recruiters more than individual schools. |
Not at all. the meagre fake listings trotted out by recruiters nowadays do not compare to avalanches of vacancies thrown at any potential jobseeker in eg 2006.
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| The pay is up slightly |
Pay for the average waeg may be 1% higher than in 2001 but the cost of living has basically doubled in the same time period. |
I hate this line by line crap. It smacks of argument as opposed to reasoned debate IMHO.
China? Seriously? All of Asia is China?
Links supporting claims about supply in Korea being met or fake jobs on Dave's board? Dave's board is the only source for jobs in all of Asia or Korea? I know I said Dave's first but that's makes it the only source? My word?
I used the same recruiter for three years and had three satisfying jobs. Korvia, if you want to know, before they went gepik or epik whatever. I get up to 3 offers a day from schools mostly and some recruiters from another source. There are many sources. I chose one.
In 2000 I was paid $1600 CDN when the loonie was lower than the USD. Today I can apply for jobs at or above 2200 cdn at a time the loonie is at least par with the USD and the won is down. $2000 is a no-brainer with my experience. I think that's more than 1% eh?
The supply will never meet the demand. It's simply impossible. the combined population of English speaking countries, even with the newly discovered interest in non-NA accents, just isn't big enough. It's like asking Canada to supply all the English teachers for the USA. Or asking the USA to supply all the English teachers for the world.
This newly discovered interest speaks volumes BTW. When I first went to Korea they had no interest in 'accents'. Six years later, to our cultural benefit, I hear them everywhere. A big improvement if you ask me but it wouldn't happen if the market was saturated. |
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