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mikesaidyes
Joined: 26 Apr 2011
Location: Sanbon, South Korea
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| Oops, then I mistook you for a woman. I should've taken the "gay bar" statement at face value. Not that there's anything wrong with it... but you should have just said outright, "I'm extraordinarily gay... steeped in gayness." *Quoting Seinfeld here* I'm always glad to hear about people being open about being gay. I also respect the other team, though I'll never be able to switch teams myself. |
He made it pretty clear when he first joined the board. Though I'm not saying that you should remember that.  |
How did you remember that??? |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes English words will be written in Korean (though sometimes difficult to guess without saying it many times).
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Reverse is also true.
Try writing this one in Korean: YEOLUKI.
This is found on children's crayon: Enjoy the life of "YEOLUKI" |
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RK12
Joined: 19 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
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Sometimes English words will be written in Korean (though sometimes difficult to guess without saying it many times).
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Reverse is also true.
Try writing this one in Korean: YEOLUKI.
This is found on children's crayon: Enjoy the life of "YEOLUKI" |
I hate romanization. Once I kept reading someone spelling woori bank and finally dawned on me that they meant 우리은행. I don't associate Korean sounds with roman characters and I just don't understand romanization.
YEOLUKI: 열우기? 여루기? 열우키? |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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YEULUKI -> 얼룩이
It's a name given to a Dalmation dog. I agree. There are three different standards for romanization of Korean. A new syllable is supposed to be started with a capital letter, but not alway possible to do so. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| RK12's very very extensive posts giving the 'standard' for ESL teachers in Korea |
It's interesting what you say. I care not even one tiny bit about Korean culture. I know approximately 5 words in Korean. I can't read hangul, I don't want to and I'm not going to. I don't like their food. I have no interest beyond the visual in their women. I think they have one of the ugliest and most mediocre urban environments of any country in the world, all the worse since they are so heavily urbanized, have essentially built from the ground up since '53 and are freaking wealthy globally [i.e., they COULD do so much better, if only they cared to].
Let's see. I ALSO came here entirely for the money. They made me the best deal work relative to pay. AND my background isn't in teaching. AND I 'couldn't find a job in my chosen field back home'. Yup, that's me, all right! AND I don't have a 'passion for teaching'. I do what need to do and I go home. It's just a job for a check, and a short-term one at that.
Now, hearing all that, I wonder: do you think I'm a good teacher for my school? I imagine not. I must be horrible, in fact. An embarrassment. My kids must hate me, my CTs not respect me, my VP and principal can't wait to be rid of me? Funny thing, actually. My kids actually do like me, most of them, most of the time. They learn as much from me as they could from a kowtowing, on-your-knees, Korea-worshiping suck-up like you. Probably more, in fact. I [and you, IF you ever actually manage to get here and start teaching in the real world] are not hired to teach them about Korea. Believe it or not. Knowledge of instruments, hangul, the 'culture'....it doesn't matter one whit in a Korean school. And good luck if you start trying to teach them English using Korean. I see the results of YEARS of that BS every day, AKA 7 grades of hardworking kids who can't even make 2 correct sentences work together.
But hey. Enjoy your culturally attuned, enlightened superiority. Your 'insights' betray the casual arrogance of one who has never faced a significant challenge. For your own sake, you'd better learn the reality, sooner rather than later. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Modernist: Korea loves you and you are refusing to return the love. You gotta reach inside and let the happy and loving boy child who died a long time ago live again. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| My kids actually do like me, most of them, most of the time. They learn as much from me as they could from a kowtowing, on-your-knees, Korea-worshiping suck-up like you. Probably more, in fact. I |
It's interesting you talk about reality. Reality is your kids probably learn nothing from you except reinforcement of all the negative stereotypes about foreigners.
--Doesn't understand Korean? Check
--Can't handle the 'spicy' food? Check
--Has an arrogant belief in the superiority of his own culture? Check
--Acts condescending and intolerant? Check?
There's more but I'm not going to bother writing them all out.
Suffice it to say that I've only gleaned this from a message board while your kids who see you every day have likely come to the same conclusions a long time ago. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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negative stereotypes about foreigners.
--Doesn't understand Korean? Check
--Can't handle the 'spicy' food? Check
--Has an arrogant belief in the superiority of his own culture? Check
--Acts condescending and intolerant? Check?
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Wait. Are you saying ALL Koreans have these stereotypes about foreigners?? GOT A LINK FOR THAT?? 
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting you talk about reality. Reality is your kids probably learn nothing from you except reinforcement of all the negative stereotypes about foreigners.
--Doesn't understand Korean? Check
--Can't handle the 'spicy' food? Check
--Has an arrogant belief in the superiority of his own culture? Check
--Acts condescending and intolerant? Check?
There's more but I'm not going to bother writing them all out.
Suffice it to say that I've only gleaned this from a message board while your kids who see you every day have likely come to the same conclusions a long time ago |
That's a ridiculous assumption to make. Even if a teacher did have all those attitudes towards living in Korea, why should the students he teaches find out about them? Have you never heard of having a professional manner in a class room situation? And if you're the kind of teacher who lets the kids know how much Korean you can speak, you're not doing your job properly. |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
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negative stereotypes about foreigners.
--Doesn't understand Korean? Check
--Can't handle the 'spicy' food? Check
--Has an arrogant belief in the superiority of his own culture? Check
--Acts condescending and intolerant? Check?
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Wait. Are you saying ALL Koreans have these stereotypes about foreigners?? GOT A LINK FOR THAT??
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I don't think theurbanmyth meant all Koreans, just a lot of them.
Personally, I don't fight the stereotypes (it's a fight you can't win). Instead, I amuse myself by telling those Koreans that I'm allergic to spicy food. Whether they find this to be the truth or not (which they would usually quickly forget) is of no consequence. I just enjoy treating small talk as small talk. It's mainly small talk here - about 99.99%
Note: I have no official links to verify the above as I'm just pulling your leg!!
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think theurbanmyth meant all Koreans, just a lot of them. |
Oh! And based on personal impressions and subjective observations, too, no doubt- which were then used to make extrapolations about the wider public by way of extension... not for submission by peer-reviewed journals but merely for the consideration of other expatriates, in conversation, for them to agree with or disagree with as they please? Really??
So that's how it works eh... I had no idea that such things were possible.... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting you talk about reality. Reality is your kids probably learn nothing from you except reinforcement of all the negative stereotypes about foreigners.
--Doesn't understand Korean? Check
--Can't handle the 'spicy' food? Check
--Has an arrogant belief in the superiority of his own culture? Check
--Acts condescending and intolerant? Check?
There's more but I'm not going to bother writing them all out.
Suffice it to say that I've only gleaned this from a message board while your kids who see you every day have likely come to the same conclusions a long time ago |
That's a ridiculous assumption to make. Even if a teacher did have all those attitudes towards living in Korea, why should the students he teaches find out about them? Have you never heard of having a professional manner in a class room situation? And if you're the kind of teacher who lets the kids know how much Korean you can speak, you're not doing your job properly. |
It seems to me you should be asking the other poster that. Come on now, the poster I was criticizing seems to hate everything here or just about. You'd have to be a professional Superman not to let at least some of that attitude creep into your job situation at least from time to time.
As for a professional manner here are a couple of choice quotes (his words)
He admits that he is here for the money
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| Speaking as one of TUM's nemeses, the dreaded educational mercenary, |
When asked why he stays in Korea he replies
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| Money, women, travel, money, lack of other prospects, inertia, money...did I forget money? |
Yeah the professionalism just shines through doesn't it? A glowing example for us all to emulate.
I HOPE this is only for show on the internet...but generally if someone is disgusted with the environment around them to the point of refusing to eat the food...it will be noticed and picked up on.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think theurbanmyth meant all Koreans, just a lot of them. |
Oh! And based on personal impressions and subjective observations, too, no doubt- which were then used to make extrapolations about the wider public by way of extension... not for submission by peer-reviewed journals but merely for the consideration of other expatriates, in conversation, for them to agree with or disagree with as they please? Really??
So that's how it works eh... I had no idea that such things were possible.... |
These are KOREAN stereotypes held by many Koreans about foreigners...they are not MY extrapolations. Come off it, you've heard the same things said by many foreigners on this website too. We get posts complaining about Korean stereotypes at least weekly on this site.
If someone is going to live up to them, that should be criticized not applauded. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| These are KOREAN stereotypes about many foreigners... |
As should have been clear, I was referring to your extrapolation that these stereotypes about foreigners are widespread among Koreans. And, if you had torn through my sarcasm, you'd see that I was not rebuking you for making that extrapolation. It was meant to be read in the larger context of you having a long history of being against any attempt to interpret Korea or make generalized statements about the place (particularly if such statements are even slightly critical in nature...).
Oh well. A joke is ruined if it has to be explained... nm. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
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| These are KOREAN stereotypes about many foreigners... |
As should have been clear, I was referring to your extrapolation that these stereotypes about foreigners are widespread among Koreans. And, if you had torn through my sarcasm, you'd see that I was not rebuking you for making that extrapolation. It was meant to be read in the larger context of you having a long history of being against any attempt to interpret Korea or make generalized statements about the place (particularly if such statements are even slightly critical in nature...).
Oh well. A joke is ruined if it has to be explained... nm. |
Oh you mean statements like the below where I said
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I'm sure I could find a lot more documented cases of KOREAN teachers engaging in improper behaviour with their students (not just sexual assaults but beatings involving a closed fist or metal object.
However that seems to get swept under the rug here...
I wonder who could have said that....oh wait now
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=152204&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=17
SUCH a nasty little basher that TheUrbanMyth fella is. |
So as we can all see I am not above critiquing Koreans or Korea and quite harshly too. What I object to is when such criticism turns into xenophobia or hatred or is based on outdated information/ignorance...it is rare when that doesn't happen...when it does I'm not adverse to contributing my own 'two cents' as in the link above.
Or perhaps you mean in the Contract Sticky thread where I warn posters of underhanded nasty tricks by cheating hakwon directors and will even do the math for them to show this. Hmm exactly WHAT nationality are those hakwon directors again?
A joke is also ruined if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny and thus is not funny. But your trying in and of itself is rather amusing. |
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