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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| hapigokelli wrote: |
| It's embarrassing, as a foreigner, that she speaks that way. |
See I don't get it, this attitude. She is her own person, nothing to do with me. Why would I be embarrassed about it?
It's a very Korean way of looking at the world, this group responsibility thing, but I don't buy into it at all. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with hap. It's embarrassing when ANY foreigner gets on TV and starts talking, using mannerisms and using the same intonation as Koreans when speaking Hanguel. I want to go through the screen and smack them upside their heads. Don't ask me why, I don't know. They just look like tools. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it helps that I never watch them, but seriously, to be embarrassed by the actions of total strangers with no connection to you? Life is too short for that sort of investment 
I've seen some weird-ass foreigners in this country, and I haven't thought for a second "Shit, they represent me here", just like I've seen a tonne of weird-ass Koreans and I don't go home to the wife and ask her to explain herself. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| I agree with hap. It's embarrassing when ANY foreigner gets on TV and starts talking, using mannerisms and using the same intonation as Koreans when speaking Hanguel. I want to go through the screen and smack them upside their heads. Don't ask me why, I don't know. They just look like tools. |
Perhaps is because you regard Koreans as inferior. Is there anything wrong with Koreans speaking in western mannerisms and intonation? In fact, don't we try to encourage that? But if some westerner, especially a woman, should speak like a Korean they are lowering their status. Gee, doesn't that sound eerily similar to ajosshi tripe.
Lots of people on Dave's talk a good game about diversity and equality and tolerance and independent thoughts and preferences. But for some, it's clearly just talk.
None of this changes the fact that the woman's voice is the worst thing I have ever heard on television and that I hope some wildlife out there takes care of this problem for us. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| She needs to start smoking. Heavily. |
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Janny
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I watched the link provided and yes, the voice is awful.
But this made me smile: a woman addressing an audience with such confidence and expressiveness. It's not used to what I usually see and hear when Korean women speak. Especially on TV or stage. What I always see is shyness, insecurity and loud, overwrought "waaa!"
It was refreshing. And the audience in the clip was loving it too.
I think it's her Italian expressiveness, eyes, confidence combined with the Korean fluency that is the attraction. |
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CrikeyKorea
Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Location: Heogi, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| She speak English far better than she speak Korean. Her accent or intonation is quite similar in English too. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps Italians and Koreans have something in common: namely, that both have trouble, due to their native phonology, ending a word in a consonant, so they usually end up stickikng vowels on the end of English words? |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| Perhaps Italians and Koreans have something in common: namely, that both have trouble, due to their native phonology, ending a word in a consonant, so they usually end up stickikng vowels on the end of English words? |
As apposed to sticking consonants in the middle? |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| In fact, don't we try to encourage that? But if some westerner, especially a woman, should speak like a Korean they are lowering their status. |
No sorry you fail. If a man does it, it is far far worse.
And you also need to cut the bull$hit Steelrails. You've come from the Western world and you can't tell me that some of these 꽃미남 you see on television don't piss you off. Especially their mannerisms.
Look this is not a racial thing either because I've seen plenty of gyopos clown on some regular Korean guys for their perms, handbags and physical comfort with each other.
It's a cultural thing and the way some of the people do things here would just not cut it i social setting back in North America.
And I have a strong feeling you feel the same way, but are just defending an action for the sake of defending something. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:27 am Post subject: |
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On final point....there is nothing a foreigner (especially a non-Asian) can do to become a Korean.
The culture won't allow it.
A foreigner can speak perfect Korean, wear hanbok, eat kimchi every day and even have citizenship like Lee Charm has, but they will never be Korean.
No a Korean can become an American or Canadian so taking on the language, culture and mannerisms from those nations is perfectly acceptable,
But for a foreigner to do it in Korea it's just plan bizarre and phony. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| You've come from the Western world and you can't tell me that some of these 꽃미남 you see on television don't piss you off. Especially their mannerisms. |
Depends if they are speaking in normal Korean or if they are doing the equivalent of white people walking up to black people and speaking ebonics without having any cred.
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It's a cultural thing and the way some of the people do things here would just not cut it i social setting back in North America.
And I have a strong feeling you feel the same way, but are just defending an action for the sake of defending something. |
I think its bad form to move to another country and then start making fun of people for whatever practices they engage in that are harmless and non-threatening.
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| Look this is not a racial thing either because I've seen plenty of gyopos clown on some regular Korean guys for their perms, handbags and physical comfort with each other. |
So that's our moral high ground? Teasing people for how they dress, as long as they are of the same race is good behavior?
I don't think anyone of any race, here or back home, should engage in such behavior and certainly not university-educated adults.
So no, it doesn't bother me if a white person tries to speak the King's Korean. As long as it isn't some sort of Softshoe-esqe act (which sometimes it is) It does bother me when people complain of bigotry, nationalism, and xenophobia and then come on here and regard Koreans as inferior, as the implication that it's "wrong" for us to adopt their mannerisms, but it's okay for them to adopt ours implies. I also love how people complain of xenophobia and then passively endorse making fun of people for how they talk, what they wear, and their levels of physical contact (the last one is the height of irony after the MBC report).
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On final point....there is nothing a foreigner (especially a non-Asian) can do to become a Korean.
The culture won't allow it.
A foreigner can speak perfect Korean, wear hanbok, eat kimchi every day and even have citizenship like Lee Charm has, but they will never be Korean. |
And there is nothing a white person can do to ever be black. But there are certain white people who can get away with ebonics because all their best friends are black and talk the same way. Same thing.
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| No a Korean can become an American or Canadian so taking on the language, culture and mannerisms from those nations is perfectly acceptable, |
And be regarded as a full American or Canadian? By many, sure. But many still also subtly regard them as foreign as well.
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| But for a foreigner to do it in Korea it's just plan bizarre and phony. |
Well you have to start somewhere.
What you think the first Chinese that came over to America and Canada were wearing western clothing and speaking perfect English? You think people didn't laugh at them when they wore western style clothing and cut their hair and regard them as phony? You think the ones that could speak perfect English weren't regarded as strange?
Heck, back in 2004 some dude was at a house party that was a Chinese guy from England. Everyone treated it like it was some big deal that this Chinese guy spoke British English (this was in America). Some of the questions- "Did you always speak this way?" were eye-rollers.
So yes, you have to start somewhere with speaking Korean and integrating into society. It's always hard for the first wave. It won't be any more different here.
But in order for true equality to happen, you have to regard the Koreans as equals as well. That means that there should be nothing "wrong" with people adopting their mannerisms. Equality is a two-way street. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I think its bad form to move to another country and then start making fun of people for whatever practices they engage in that are harmless and non-threatening.
But in order for true equality to happen, you have to regard the Koreans as equals as well. That means that there should be nothing "wrong" with people adopting their mannerisms. Equality is a two-way street. |
hmm...
These are good points, however, there are certain practices and mannerisms that are just annoying...even to the locals.
language as an example;
valley girl speak...ebonics in general...etc
These types of 'practices' if picked up by foreigners would be equally if not more annoying to a great percentage of the native population.
Same in Korea.
Not all Korean women speak like hysteric infants, yet that 'mannerism' somehow gets picked up by the foreign community with dumbfounding regularity.
Again...no less annoying...in fact, considerably more so...hence this thread.
Adopting certain mannerisms is not a good idea. |
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slothrop
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that is kinda annoying.
People who talk alot really blow my mind. I mean what is there ever to say? Their mouths go and go and what does any of it mean? Nothing. But if you are going to speak alot and say nothing at least do so with a pleasant vocal tone. |
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