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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Except quite often I'm not, as many of my friends are recent immigrants. |
Dont you think though that your case is unusual for the average Westerner? And of course Western media largely ignores this group of people. |
I grew up that way as well - so it can't be all that unusual. My neighbourhood was majority immigrant. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| Except quite often I'm not, as many of my friends are recent immigrants. |
Dont you think though that your case is unusual for the average Westerner? And of course Western media largely ignores this group of people. |
I grew up that way as well - so it can't be all that unusual. My neighbourhood was majority immigrant. |
I did most of my growing up in San Diego, and at my schools there were a fair number of immigrants. Mostly Hispanic but also a good number of Asian immigrants. Though I can't recall everyone's citizenship from back then (especially since I didn't care), I do recall visiting friends' homes where parents/grandparents spoke Spanish or Chinese to my friend. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| All I'm saying is let's compare apples to apples. In the Korean context you have mostly transient foreigners who may speak some Korean but they are by and large not acculturated into Korean culture. When Westerners talk about "multiculturalism" they are talking about a lengthy process of acculturation which does not exist to any significant extent here on the peninsula. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| All I'm saying is let's compare apples to apples. In the Korean context you have mostly transient foreigners who may speak some Korean but they are by and large not acculturated into Korean culture. When Westerners talk about "multiculturalism" they are talking about a lengthy process of acculturation which does not exist to any significant extent here on the peninsula. |
You keep using this word, "acculturated." What exactly do you mean? If I'm ethnically Korean and happen to take the name, let's say, "Komerican" to signify my roots, walk around speaking Korean, and identify myself as a Korean-American, does that make me "acculturated?" And if, let's say, I don't do any of those things, don't share the same ethnicity, and live in South Korea, then I'm not "acculturated?"
...Or, let's propose that I'm neither Asian nor white, but spent most of my life in Asia, speak Korean (perhaps even better than the imaginary Komerican mentioned above) and live in South Korea--am I a "Westerner" or an "acculturated" person?
What does it mean to be Korean under such pretenses--besides ethnicity & a bit of commitment? |
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's a real shame that someone can post something here, particularly in light of all the negative feelings caused by the blatantly ethnic nationalist MBC piece, that casts Korean society via popular media in a more inclusive, accepting and welcoming light, and then have it crapped on in 2 posts.
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| When Westerners talk about "multiculturalism" they are talking about a lengthy process of acculturation which does not exist to any significant extent here on the peninsula. |
The reason that it does not happen here commonly is because of the type of ethnic nationalist maintenance on the myth of Korean racial purity as represented by said MBC story which seek to vilify women who associate with others.
When SBS airs a bit that speaks to a Fillipina as a regular member of society it advances multiculturalism in that same very public forum; that's it, that's the process; or at least part of it. I think all the OP was trying to say was it is a relief to see tangible examples of multiculturalism when, it can seem, there are so many to show it's opposition.
. . . Also, I don't understand why there is a need to compare or even mention western media, as if Korea needs to wait to start its 'development' only once it has been perfected in the west? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism: Success stories (SBS responds to MBC) |
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Though indirectly, SBS has responded. Today, I was surprised to see SBS ask a Filipina woman her views on the Okra this season during regular coverage regarding vegetables & crops here. It was only a brief questioning, and there were no signs that they were attempting to make the woman into a "foreinger" token or some strange freak of nature--they really did just focus on what she thought as a person working at an okra farm; she was presented as a normal person answering a normal question--IN KOREAN. There were no undue exaggerations--she was 100% treated no different than if they would have been interviewing an ethnically Korean national (except for the written tag that mentioned that she's from the Philippines).
Thanks SBS--We're watching! (I'll look for the news episode today and post it here when they put it on their homepage.)
One small step for foreign kind; one giant leap for Kormanity!
Anyone else notice some changes? Let's share. |
How is this Earth-shattering? I guess I'm used to this back home. It would be nice if they would have some nice reports about foreigners regardless of where they're from. Wouldn't it? At least, they showed this Filipina in a positive light. I really try as much as possible to ignore the Korean media because I expect stuff like the MBC report and racist stuff in the print media, so I try not to know but when it came on facebook, I couldn't ignore it. In a way, I don't want to know that the Korean media says about foreigners at all because I don't think there's been a major attempt to portray us in a positive way. However, I understand they have highlighted the problems of children of mixed marriages and talk increasingly about people who are becoming Korean citizens, and the issue of the Uzbek-Korean dealing with racism was brought up. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism: Success stories (SBS responds to MBC) |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
Though indirectly, SBS has responded. Today, I was surprised to see SBS ask a Filipina woman her views on the Okra this season during regular coverage regarding vegetables & crops here. It was only a brief questioning, and there were no signs that they were attempting to make the woman into a "foreinger" token or some strange freak of nature--they really did just focus on what she thought as a person working at an okra farm; she was presented as a normal person answering a normal question--IN KOREAN. There were no undue exaggerations--she was 100% treated no different than if they would have been interviewing an ethnically Korean national (except for the written tag that mentioned that she's from the Philippines).
Thanks SBS--We're watching! (I'll look for the news episode today and post it here when they put it on their homepage.)
One small step for foreign kind; one giant leap for Kormanity!
Anyone else notice some changes? Let's share. |
How is this Earth-shattering? I guess I'm used to this back home. It would be nice if they would have some nice reports about foreigners regardless of where they're from. Wouldn't it? At least, they showed this Filipina in a positive light.. |
But see, you missed the point. It's Korean media norm shattering for the sole reason that they made no attempt to show the Filipina in a positive or negative light. She was simply treated as a person who knows about her trade. There were no attempts at showing her eloquence in Korean, or stressing her non-native background or anything like that.
Another person seemed to miss my point as well and posted links above with media that portrays people in a positive light focusing on their non-native backgrounds. That's exactly what I'm NOT talking about.
Media should care more about the opinions, views, and news related to people--and lay off the ethnic focus of their documentaries, interviews, and news broadcasts/ articles; let the anthropologists do their own work. SBS has yet to put the particular broadcast on their website, but in this case they showed the professionalism that other news outlets either lack or ignore. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism: Success stories (SBS responds to MBC) |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
Though indirectly, SBS has responded. Today, I was surprised to see SBS ask a Filipina woman her views on the Okra this season during regular coverage regarding vegetables & crops here. It was only a brief questioning, and there were no signs that they were attempting to make the woman into a "foreinger" token or some strange freak of nature--they really did just focus on what she thought as a person working at an okra farm; she was presented as a normal person answering a normal question--IN KOREAN. There were no undue exaggerations--she was 100% treated no different than if they would have been interviewing an ethnically Korean national (except for the written tag that mentioned that she's from the Philippines).
Thanks SBS--We're watching! (I'll look for the news episode today and post it here when they put it on their homepage.)
One small step for foreign kind; one giant leap for Kormanity!
Anyone else notice some changes? Let's share. |
How is this Earth-shattering? I guess I'm used to this back home. It would be nice if they would have some nice reports about foreigners regardless of where they're from. Wouldn't it? At least, they showed this Filipina in a positive light.. |
But see, you missed the point. It's Korean media norm shattering for the sole reason that they made no attempt to show the Filipina in a positive or negative light. She was simply treated as a person who knows about her trade. There were no attempts at showing her eloquence in Korean, or stressing her non-native background or anything like that.
Another person seemed to miss my point as well and posted links above with media that portrays people in a positive light focusing on their non-native backgrounds. That's exactly what I'm NOT talking about.
Media should care more about the opinions, views, and news related to people--and lay off the ethnic focus of their documentaries, interviews, and news broadcasts/ articles; let the anthropologists do their own work. SBS has yet to put the particular broadcast on their website, but in this case they showed the professionalism that other news outlets either lack or ignore. |
I can see how that can be a good thing, Hoss. Yet, I wouldn't mind showing us also in a positive light like showing Koreans who have truly appreciated their instructors. I mean I've had a student today at my university saying he appreciated me instructing him and paying attention to his educational needs and him as a human being. Many of us work hard to educate so many people here. I wouldn't be adverse to people highlighting that. I wouldn't mind some appreciation. Or, couldn't someone show more of the mixed couples whether the woman or the man is of foreign extraction or is that a bad idea? People also need to see that Korea is no longer a homogenous country anymore. It is very mixed now.
Anyway, I can see how talking about that woman's expertise was good. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| SBS does it again! Today they interviewed a Chinese fisherman about the territorial disputes and the force used against fishermen who happen to break the law. Again, there was no pretense of focusing on his ability to speak Korean or focusing on his ethnicity. Horrible topic, but professional coverage. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Off topic but I can't understand how the media still can't get basic military terminology right.
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| The Army will produce its first non-multiracial officers next month. |
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Cadets Bae Jun-hyeong, 22, and Han Gi-yeop, 21, are in training at the Korea Army Training Center, and set to become non-commissioned officers on July 4 after completing a 12-week training period. |
So are they NCOs or officers? Make up your mind Korea Times! My little rant for the day.
Note: They're NCOs based on their rank insignia. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Ummmm.... they have Korean names.... and... ummmm, they look totally Korean, although I'm sure a Korean can spot some minor physical differences.
Guess you have to start somewhere.
Baby steps on the road to a non homogeneous society. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Baby steps on the road to a non homogeneous society. |
I reckon we're on the verge of a massive historic turnaround. Korea is a country of extremes. It would not surprise me if in 15 years having a foreign b/f or g/f becomes all the rage in this country. A fashion statement. The media will become pro-foreign. Outsiders will start to be seen as exotic. Korea will one day have black players on the national soccer team. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Except quite often I'm not, as many of my friends are recent immigrants. |
Dont you think though that your case is unusual for the average Westerner? And of course Western media largely ignores this group of people. |
This is not really true. When I was growing up, many of my friends were first generation immigrants. I was friends with several hispanics, who were always great for teaching you spanish curse words, and also a few Asian/European immigrants. Of course there were a few immigrants who didn't really make any effort to talk to other people, but those that did, in my schools at least, didn't have much trouble making friends, even if their English wasn't perfect. |
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