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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
I did it for a few months, part-time. Never again. Just too many damn kids.


This is what worries me too. I'm considering a public school job. But my whole teaching repertoire, style and activities are geared to classes of 10 or less. And I'm used to having a ready-made syllabus as well.
I smoke 20 a day, I don't think I'd be able to shout full bell at megaclasses of 40 kids for a year.
What activities can you properly do with a class of 40 anyway?? A game of touch rugby perhaps? How do you remember all their names? Do you even get to know your students at all?
I'm having serious concerns, I might just opt for the old hagwon routine again.
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CanadaCommando



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After finishing my first semester in public school gig, I am more than happy to say...

I would never do a hogwan again.

Not to bag on hogwans at all...but a GOOD public school gig can be one of the best gigs in Korea. Instead of a co-teacher, at my school we (aussi korean teacher and myself)split classes and trade off between semesters-so I have 20 kids per. Different kids for every block all week-so I only teach 2 lessons each week. There is NO stress there-two strong lessons carry you well through the whole week! That being said, walk in with a weak lesson and be prepared to flounder around in front of 20 critical little minds...
Classroom managment is a skill which you have to have for these positions, as is patience, but man can it pay off...I also have the official listed vacation at 6 weeks, but it has worked out so far to be more like 12! The total teaching hours are only 20, but I am there for 40. However, your hours leave you in a great position for any side work you may want, and your title as a public school teacher carries more weight than that of a hogwan teacher in most areas (at least I have found when explaining my situation) both in korea and on the resume back home.

The sad truth is, you dont get a chance to connect with many of your students, or at least I don't. In a class of 20, I know the 5 worst students by name, and the 5 best...the ten in between I honestly can't recall....remember, with 20 classes of 20, thats 400 kids...800 now that I have done a term already! So, personal connection is something you do sacrifice in taking such a position. That being said, I do know few of my students quite well, and all of them are friendly and respectful in the hall and in class.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CanadaCommando wrote:
After finishing my first semester in public school gig, I am more than happy to say...

I would never do a hogwan again.

Not to bag on hogwans at all...but a GOOD public school gig can be one of the best gigs in Korea. Instead of a co-teacher, at my school we (aussi korean teacher and myself)split classes and trade off between semesters-so I have 20 kids per. Different kids for every block all week-so I only teach 2 lessons each week. There is NO stress there-two strong lessons carry you well through the whole week! That being said, walk in with a weak lesson and be prepared to flounder around in front of 20 critical little minds...
Classroom managment is a skill which you have to have for these positions, as is patience, but man can it pay off...I also have the official listed vacation at 6 weeks, but it has worked out so far to be more like 12! The total teaching hours are only 20, but I am there for 40. However, your hours leave you in a great position for any side work you may want, and your title as a public school teacher carries more weight than that of a hogwan teacher in most areas (at least I have found when explaining my situation) both in korea and on the resume back home.

The sad truth is, you dont get a chance to connect with many of your students, or at least I don't. In a class of 20, I know the 5 worst students by name, and the 5 best...the ten in between I honestly can't recall....remember, with 20 classes of 20, thats 400 kids...800 now that I have done a term already! So, personal connection is something you do sacrifice in taking such a position. That being said, I do know few of my students quite well, and all of them are friendly and respectful in the hall and in class.

Sounds good..what do you do in lessons? Is it more of a lecture, followed by group conversation activities? do you break it up every 10 minutes with games?
Over the past 2 yeasr in hagwons, I've built a repertoire of over 100 games which work well with classes of 10 or less..I can't imagine them working with large classes somehow.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after my last fiasco of a "job", I started teaching at a public elementary school, but....

I chose one in the sticks. Well, 2 actually. Both schools have under 100 students total. My class sizes will be 12~15 students. My co-teacher is a good friend of my wife's and he is fluent in English and well-travelled. They just re-modelled both English rooms at their schools (my rooms now!) with huge touch-screen monitor/whiteboards/overhead projectors, a computer at each worktable (3 students to a workgroup), central heating and the principals of both schools go to my church in Chuncheon on the weekends.

I would say that I am one very fortunate guy. Thank God.

I haven't started yet, but I am going in to do prep and organize the classes. All the paperwork is done, just waiting for the kids. I am seriously looking forward to this for many reasons. I chose a school in the country as I just bought a new (used) car, and after my short tenure in Seoul, I needed the exact opposite. I guess I am a small-town guy (a true demophobe?!) and having a good grip on the language and culture are going far to make me welcome in these areas. I mean, hey...they are small towns and we all know that it can mean a very difficult time if the people don't warm up to you.

I teach in the mountains, with great views, great places to take the special class on Wednesdays (I get to hand pick the ten best students for 3-hour "whatever you want to do" classes, my only class on Wednesday!) and lots of fresh, pine-scented air. Actually, the Wednesday class will be doing a lot of Drama, as they would like to see a short play/skit at the ends of both semesters. Still, that's groovy.

I will teach a total of 27 hours per week and this includes a 2-hour teachers class. So, 25 hours in the classroom and let me tell ya....the pay rocks.

Anyways, if you can, get out of Seoul. The teachers and principals at these 2 schools are really nice, generous and good people. The country is the place to be.

I have also been assured that my vacations will follow my wife's, who is also an elementary school teacher. Smile
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CanadaCommando



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what do you do in lessons? Is it more of a lecture, followed by group conversation activities? do you break it up every 10 minutes with games?


First off, I should mention that I do public Middle school-so a few years higher than elementary. This is the grade level I taught at home too, and i love the age-makes for great kids at 12-15 (and nightmare kids too of course.). Highly recommend this age group.

My classroom style is kind of an active lecture, with some conversation activities mixed in. Usually start class with an open ended question-something basic, but thought provoking (today's was: Why is Korea doing so much better than Canada in the Olympics?) to start them off talking. Then I switch into an interactive lecture style, and finally an activity to end it with.

Now, I dont do games usually-just cause of the limitation of time. 45 minutes is not too much to burn. Usually by the end of the second or third class, you can time the lesson to the minute. But like I said, I teach middle school, not elementary, so my kids have a lil more patience stored up...
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