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slothrop
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 Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
No need to butcher the English language in your post, nor even to mention the Gestapo. |
nein... i cantz speaken zee eenglish an zee grammer nazis ees knocking to mine door. 
btw, i'm not saying OP's boyfriend SHOULD teach under the table, or comparing the situation to nazi germany, but rather alluding that some people's response to it are gestapolike.hehehehehehe
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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What are you guys even arguing about?
Are you saying Asians have a hard time in the US?
I don't know where you grew up, maybe some backwards red state, but where I'm from racists attitudes and stereotypes are something you read about in history books. I never looked at someone and thought "Oh, this person's black, so they're like this and I can't be friends with them".
Maybe I've heard some white people say something along the lines of "Well, I don't think black people are that smart or Asians are untrustworthy or don't marry a Jew" But those kind of people are very rare and they get called out on that crap very quick.
I'd say the vast majority of white people harbour no racist feelings whatsoever, and the minority that do bite their lips and don't say anything. I think minorities, particularly in my country of Canada, have it pretty good. About as well as can be expected for a group that is coming in and wiggling out a space for themselves. I mean what did you expect? A red carpet welcoming?
That doesn't mean I think white people have it bad in Korea. Quite the opposite, we have it pretty good. Thanks to the legacy of our ancestors and their technological developments. Our preferential treatment in this country is totally undeserved. And to fair, Koreans are pretty amiable to most races, at least publicly. They view foreigners with a sort of exotic curiosity, as opposed to repressed hate (They save all of that for the Japanese).
It's not really a race issue at all. It's a community issue, isn't it? When that Gyopo gang-banger got busted teaching in Bundang, it wasn't about him being Gyopo that made headlines, it was him being an English teacher. It was "English Teacher wanted on murder charges". That was the headline. When that African-American went nuts and punched that old man on the bus, again, the focus was on the fact that he was an English teacher.
Gyopo, black, white--doesn't really matter to the Koreans, we are the English teachers. That's how we are viewed. |
http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/leader/workplace-leadership/Why-Are-Asian-American-Executives-Scarce.asp
I'm not talking about from an everyday point of view. I've only been discriminated against for my race in person a dozen times or so in the 23 years I lived in the States.
What I'm talking about is the glass ceiling that exists for Asians as well as the ludicrous requirements for Asians to get into the top tier schools. When I began meetings with my college counselor in HS about applying to colleges the first thing out of her mouth was, "you're going to have a tougher time than everyone else getting into top schools because of your race." |
Amazing. I didn't know that. Now that I know white people can be top executives I should quit my English teaching job and take my rightful place as corporate God. Not.
That article is a bunch of crap. You know why Asians can make up a large chunk of the workforce and do not become executives? Because the idea of someone working their way up from the mail room is a myth, for any race. You need connections to start at the top. And the people who did start at the bottom, it took them a long time to rise to the top. A lot of those guys started their careers in the sixties.
Oh by the way how many non-Korean executives are their in South Korea? Wait, scratch that, how many women executives are their in South Korea?
I'm not saying minorities don't have a hard time, but not every failure in your life is attributable to your race.
I understand the US hasn't been good for you. That's why you are willing to spend two years in the military just to work here. But you're a young guy, probably fresh out of college, and you hit the worst job market in three generations. It's not because your Asian. It's because the economy sucks. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
What are you guys even arguing about?
Are you saying Asians have a hard time in the US?
I don't know where you grew up, maybe some backwards red state, but where I'm from racists attitudes and stereotypes are something you read about in history books. I never looked at someone and thought "Oh, this person's black, so they're like this and I can't be friends with them".
Maybe I've heard some white people say something along the lines of "Well, I don't think black people are that smart or Asians are untrustworthy or don't marry a Jew" But those kind of people are very rare and they get called out on that crap very quick.
I'd say the vast majority of white people harbour no racist feelings whatsoever, and the minority that do bite their lips and don't say anything. I think minorities, particularly in my country of Canada, have it pretty good. About as well as can be expected for a group that is coming in and wiggling out a space for themselves. I mean what did you expect? A red carpet welcoming?
That doesn't mean I think white people have it bad in Korea. Quite the opposite, we have it pretty good. Thanks to the legacy of our ancestors and their technological developments. Our preferential treatment in this country is totally undeserved. And to fair, Koreans are pretty amiable to most races, at least publicly. They view foreigners with a sort of exotic curiosity, as opposed to repressed hate (They save all of that for the Japanese).
It's not really a race issue at all. It's a community issue, isn't it? When that Gyopo gang-banger got busted teaching in Bundang, it wasn't about him being Gyopo that made headlines, it was him being an English teacher. It was "English Teacher wanted on murder charges". That was the headline. When that African-American went nuts and punched that old man on the bus, again, the focus was on the fact that he was an English teacher.
Gyopo, black, white--doesn't really matter to the Koreans, we are the English teachers. That's how we are viewed. |
http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/leader/workplace-leadership/Why-Are-Asian-American-Executives-Scarce.asp
I'm not talking about from an everyday point of view. I've only been discriminated against for my race in person a dozen times or so in the 23 years I lived in the States.
What I'm talking about is the glass ceiling that exists for Asians as well as the ludicrous requirements for Asians to get into the top tier schools. When I began meetings with my college counselor in HS about applying to colleges the first thing out of her mouth was, "you're going to have a tougher time than everyone else getting into top schools because of your race." |
Amazing. I didn't know that. Now that I know white people can be top executives I should quit my English teaching job and take my rightful place as corporate God. Not.
That article is a bunch of crap. You know why Asians can make up a large chunk of the workforce and do not become executives? Because the idea of someone working their way up from the mail room is a myth, for any race. You need connections to start at the top. And the people who did start at the bottom, it took them a long time to rise to the top. A lot of those guys started their careers in the sixties.
Oh by the way how many non-Korean executives are their in South Korea? Wait, scratch that, how many women executives are their in South Korea?
I'm not saying minorities don't have a hard time, but not every failure in your life is attributable to your race.
I understand the US hasn't been good for you. That's why you are willing to spend two years in the military just to work here. But you're a young guy, probably fresh out of college, and you hit the worst job market in three generations. It's not because your Asian. It's because the economy sucks. |
What do you know about my situation? Nothing. I got solid job offers in the US - a couple boutique banks and one major investment bank. The reason I'm trying to work in Korea is because the ceiling for me here is higher, because I have several companies interested in hiring me after I finish my service and because frankly, I just want to see what it's like living in Korea for a few years.
And what is this about executives having started working in the 60's? You mean to say that the average executive is between around 60 and 70 years old? The average executive these days is between 40 and 50 years old.
And as for your "how many non-Korean executives are their in South Korea" question...
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Samsung Electronics, the stock market leader, had one foreigner among its senior ranks in 1998, but 14 by 2008.
At LG Electronics, six of the 10 executive vice presidents are foreign natives. Head of Korea Exchange Bank is Larry Klane, who succeeded Richard Wacker earlier this year. Doosan in 2006 brought in James Bemowski as its vice chairman and chief executive officer, and this year, it signed Charles Hawley as its new chief human resources officer. In the legal field, the law firm Bae, Kim & Lee has five foreign lawyers in David MacArthur, Matthew Christensen, James Morrison, Timothy Trinka and Martin Kolbinger. |
http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2911502 |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ladies and gentlemen. Introducing sml 7285. A 24-year old Korean American who's had an uphill battle all his life in racist America, but has job offers from an investment bank and a boutique bank. Still, he's turning down those solid job offers in the middle of a recession because frankly he's worried that in 30 years when he reaches the executive level there will be a glass ceiling for Asian-Americans. So he's decided the best option for him is to join the Korean military for two years.
Is that right? You know what man. After six months call me up and I'll go have a beer with you. We'll laugh about this whole thing. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ladies and gentlemen. Introducing sml 7285. A 24-year old Korean American who's had an uphill battle all his life in racist America, but has job offers from an investment bank and a boutique bank. Still, he's turning down those solid job offers in the middle of a recession because frankly he's worried that in 30 years when he reaches the executive level there will be a glass ceiling for Asian-Americans. So he's decided the best option for him is to join the Korean military for two years.
Is that right? You know what man. After six months call me up and I'll go have a beer with you. We'll laugh about this whole thing. |
You know what? If you want to mock me for my actions and my opinions - go ahead. I really could not care less what one anonymous keyboard warrior/Internet tough guy thinks. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
No need to butcher the English language in your post, nor even to mention the Gestapo. |
nein... i cantz speaken zee eenglish an zee grammer nazis ees knocking to mine door. |
FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. Hope you're proud of yourself for your pathetic attempt at humor. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
No need to butcher the English language in your post, nor even to mention the Gestapo. |
nein... i cantz speaken zee eenglish an zee grammer nazis ees knocking to mine door. |
FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. Hope you're proud of yourself for your pathetic attempt at humor. |
Wow, I didn't know the grammar Nazis actually killed people! |
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Pablo
Joined: 15 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. |
What do you want, a medal? |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
No need to butcher the English language in your post, nor even to mention the Gestapo. |
nein... i cantz speaken zee eenglish an zee grammer nazis ees knocking to mine door. |
FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. Hope you're proud of yourself for your pathetic attempt at humor. |
*yawn* Whose weren't, it was a World War.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| to everyone who wrote that they hope this guy gets caught and deported please ask yourself.... if you married a korean and moved back to the states and then your spouses brother or sister came to visit for three months and found an under the table job to make a few extra bucks... would you also wish that they were caught and deported? if you do not wish that then you are human, but inconsistant. if you DO wish that then you have a bright future with the gestapo.LOL |
I would certainly be against one of my wife's siblings working under the table illegally in Canada and so would she for that matter. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| to everyone who wrote that they hope this guy gets caught and deported please ask yourself.... if you married a korean and moved back to the states and then your spouses brother or sister came to visit for three months and found an under the table job to make a few extra bucks... would you also wish that they were caught and deported? if you do not wish that then you are human, but inconsistant. if you DO wish that then you have a bright future with the gestapo.LOL |
I would certainly be against one of my wife's siblings working under the table illegally in Canada and so would she for that matter. |
you might be against it and do everything in your power to dissuade them, but would you "wish" that they be detained and deported?
@centralcali... don't you laugh at the movies of mel brooks(the producers) and woody allen(annie hall)? don't you laugh at the novels of don delillo(white noise) and thomas pynchon(gravity's rainbow)? or saturday night live(gay hitler)... they all use nazis in their humor. lighten up bro. youz from cali!
comedy=tragedy+time 
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Ladies and gentlemen. Introducing sml 7285. A 24-year old Korean American who's had an uphill battle all his life in racist America, but has job offers from an investment bank and a boutique bank. Still, he's turning down those solid job offers in the middle of a recession because frankly he's worried that in 30 years when he reaches the executive level there will be a glass ceiling for Asian-Americans. So he's decided the best option for him is to join the Korean military for two years.
Is that right? You know what man. After six months call me up and I'll go have a beer with you. We'll laugh about this whole thing. |
sml you just destroyed. Please stop making a fool of yourself. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Pablo wrote: |
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| FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. |
What do you want, a medal? |
No, I want asinine people to not "treat" me to fake German accents and accusations of me behaving like a Nazi when I suggest someone obey the law and when I suggest someone attempt to communicate intelligibly on a board for English teachers.
Is that simple enough for you? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Pablo wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| FYI, I have relatives who were victims of the Nazis. |
What do you want, a medal? |
No, I want asinine people to not "treat" me to fake German accents and accusations of me behaving like a Nazi when I suggest someone obey the law and when I suggest someone attempt to communicate intelligibly on a board for English teachers.
Is that simple enough for you? |
Sadly not it will not be. You need to dumb it down further I think. Also use bigger letters and bright colors and if possible pictures to help him understand. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
Ladies and gentlemen. Introducing sml 7285. A 24-year old Korean American who's had an uphill battle all his life in racist America, but has job offers from an investment bank and a boutique bank. Still, he's turning down those solid job offers in the middle of a recession because frankly he's worried that in 30 years when he reaches the executive level there will be a glass ceiling for Asian-Americans. So he's decided the best option for him is to join the Korean military for two years.
Is that right? You know what man. After six months call me up and I'll go have a beer with you. We'll laugh about this whole thing. |
sml you just destroyed. Please stop making a fool of yourself. |
Seriously Dodge? I was going to just let this go, as I didn't want to bore the crap out of people with the details, but you know what, I'm not going to stand around and be judged by people who don't know anything about my particular situation.
First off, I got offers from two boutique investment banks and one bulge bracket bank. None of these banks are in the NYC or Chicago area, which means that if I were to continue to work in the sector, that my ceiling would be extremely low unless I were to go through the trouble of reapplying to bulge brackets in NYC after a few years or going through an MBA program (one that I'd probably have to pay for seeing the quality of those IBs). That's what I meant by ceiling - not some sort of high reaching desire to be a C-level executive.
As for the banks themselves, at both the boutique banks, I'd be expected to man the phones for the first year or so, cold calling potential clients and being a glorified telemarketer. The bulge bracket situation is even worse. I wouldn't be working in the "mailroom" per se, but my responsibilities would be similar to those of rookies of years past. I'd be shuffling papers, making xeroxes, and not be placed into a team until a spot opened up.
I have several connections in Korea that I am fortunate to be able to take advantage of. I spent three weeks interning at a division of Hyundai and took advantage of the time to network heavily. Two of my dad's friends work at Bank of Korea and another works at the Export Import Bank of Korea. Another friend of his works in Hong Kong, but his firm does a ton of coverage work in Seoul. Now where do you think my ceiling is higher... working for one of three banks in the Charlotte area or any of those banks in SE Asia? I know that any bank I work at will have bitch work that rookies have to do, but honestly, I'd rather do that sort of work in a location that doesn't have such a low ceiling.
As for you Dodge - I don't know why you're all of a sudden trying to get everyone to hate you, but you know what? It's not working. I pity you. I really do. You obviously aren't happy here, but you're stuck due to you not wanting to uproot your family while your child is young; you are overweight and have high blood pressure due to an unhealthy lifestyle; you worry that your child won't learn English growing up and that you won't be able to communicate with him/her. You have some serious issues and worries and I feel bad for you - however coming and trolling on a forum isn't going to fix anything. Go solve your problems and don't let them fester. |
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