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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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 Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
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| Enjoy your embittered view of the world. |
Nah, just prefer an athlete with a bit more grit and character. |
What the hell do you know about the Korea athletes and what they've done to get there? Talk about a bitter, one-sided piece of crap view.
If some Korean came to my country and said that none of our medal winners were worth crap because they didn't have grit and character, they'd be laughed out the door. Same thing should happen to you. |
Wow, talk about bitter.
Never wished anything to happen to anyone...don't get too beat up over an online discussion (well if it helps u vent...) |
Hey, at least I'm venting at your ridiculous opinions, rather than an entire country. |
Ok dude have a good one. |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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How about the Korean gymnast that lives in a greenhouse with his parents? He won the gold medal and even has a skill named after him. His father, a farmer, injured himself so was not able to farm anymore. They have to live in one of those plastic greenhouses you see in the countryside here. The "house" flooded a year or two ago and they lost almost everything, again. The parents live mostly off of ramyeon so they can afford giving him healthy food to get all of the nutrients he needs.
Is that enough grit and hardship for you? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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For Chance, only Kenyans have it hard.  |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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That's pretty dishonest of you to post the Korean athlete's plastic house, yet post a generic Masai's house. The Masai runner who broke the world record and who you are comparing against the Korean gymnast is David Rudisha. His father was a Olympic silver medalist and his mother a hurdler. They were both school teachers as well and live in comparably a western style mansion compared to the Korean gymnast as seen at 6:58 in this news report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzQT5uEqPN8&feature=related |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:35 am Post subject: |
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That's pretty dishonest of you to post the Korean athlete's plastic house, yet post a generic Masai's house. The Masai runner who broke the world record and who you are comparing against the Korean gymnast is David Rudisha. His father was a Olympic silver medalist and his mother a hurdler. They were both school teachers as well and live in comparably a western style mansion compared to the Korean gymnast as seen at 6:58 in this news report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzQT5uEqPN8&feature=related |
Yes, really I planned it that way
Well good job in turning up that video on Rudisha. His house does look okay on the outside.
He does farm and tend to cattle when away from the track.
And he did put in a tremendous effort. |
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging.
After the fencing, swimming and a couple of other "botched calls" there were many in the Korean camp calling for the team to return home and boycott the rest of the games. What amazing sportsmanship!
For these reasons I guess you could say I'm against Korea in the Olympics, and/or any other international sporting arena they participate in.
I was around for the last world cup. Outdoor screens and mass crowds cheering everything local and booing the opponents felt like some kind of Nuremberg rally. Walking through the crowd during the Korea vs. Argentina game and having people say "F*ck you" and spit on the ground as I walk past just because I'm a foreigner, hence must represent the foreign team? Ugly.
Would *love* to see Germany, France, Hungary, Australia etc. win a bunch of medals over the next couple of days and drop the ROK down a couple of places on the medal tally. Alas I think the resultant suicides, limbs amputated in protest, crap thrown at embassies, anti-foreign protests, candlelight vigils etc. might be more than this rational poster can bear. |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging.
After the fencing, swimming and a couple of other "botched calls" there were many in the Korean camp calling for the team to return home and boycott the rest of the games. What amazing sportsmanship!
For these reasons I guess you could say I'm against Korea in the Olympics, and/or any other international sporting arena they participate in.
I was around for the last world cup. Outdoor screens and mass crowds cheering everything local and booing the opponents felt like some kind of Nuremberg rally. Walking through the crowd during the Korea vs. Argentina game and having people say "F*ck you" and spit on the ground as I walk past just because I'm a foreigner, hence must represent the foreign team? Ugly.
Would *love* to see Germany, France, Hungary, Australia etc. win a bunch of medals over the next couple of days and drop the ROK down a couple of places on the medal tally. Alas I think the resultant suicides, limbs amputated in protest, crap thrown at embassies, anti-foreign protests, candlelight vigils etc. might be more than this rational poster can bear. |
Agreed,
If they could take both winning and losing better than I might cheer for them.
Showing a paper after the soccer bronze game that �Dokdo is ours�?! Come on. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging.
After the fencing, swimming and a couple of other "botched calls" there were many in the Korean camp calling for the team to return home and boycott the rest of the games. What amazing sportsmanship!
For these reasons I guess you could say I'm against Korea in the Olympics, and/or any other international sporting arena they participate in.
I was around for the last world cup. Outdoor screens and mass crowds cheering everything local and booing the opponents felt like some kind of Nuremberg rally. Walking through the crowd during the Korea vs. Argentina game and having people say "F*ck you" and spit on the ground as I walk past just because I'm a foreigner, hence must represent the foreign team? Ugly.
Would *love* to see Germany, France, Hungary, Australia etc. win a bunch of medals over the next couple of days and drop the ROK down a couple of places on the medal tally. Alas I think the resultant suicides, limbs amputated in protest, crap thrown at embassies, anti-foreign protests, candlelight vigils etc. might be more than this rational poster can bear. |
It's for stuff like this that I find it difficult to support Korea. I have mixed feelings because I identify with South Korea to some extent, but the idea that these medals count for more than just sport puts me right off |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging.
After the fencing, swimming and a couple of other "botched calls" there were many in the Korean camp calling for the team to return home and boycott the rest of the games. What amazing sportsmanship!
For these reasons I guess you could say I'm against Korea in the Olympics, and/or any other international sporting arena they participate in.
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I'm against people who think that because SOME people demonstrate poor sportmanship that they are representative of all other people of that nationality.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Lazio wrote: |
[Agreed,
If they could take both winning and losing better than I might cheer for them.
Showing a paper after the soccer bronze game that �Dokdo is ours�?! Come on. |
If you could understand that there are 50 million people (or close to it) in Korea and that the relative handful of people who choose to show a paper do not necessarily represent them....I might cheer for you. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I cheer for Fanny Babou, Jack Bauer, Lars Boom, Karen Cockburn, Willem de Beer, Shitaye Eshete, Michael Fuchs, Gaylord Silly, Destinee Hooker, Yoo Suk Kim, Peter Mankoc, Mohamed Mohamed, Werner Muff, Vikky Poon, Gavin Smellie, and Diju V. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
That's pretty dishonest of you to post the Korean athlete's plastic house, yet post a generic Masai's house. The Masai runner who broke the world record and who you are comparing against the Korean gymnast is David Rudisha. His father was a Olympic silver medalist and his mother a hurdler. They were both school teachers as well and live in comparably a western style mansion compared to the Korean gymnast as seen at 6:58 in this news report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzQT5uEqPN8&feature=related |
Yes, really I planned it that way
Well good job in turning up that video on Rudisha. His house does look okay on the outside.
He does farm and tend to cattle when away from the track.
And he did put in a tremendous effort. |
You don't think that maybe, I dunno, they have like tractors and pick-up trucks and farm equipment and stuff like that.
Or because he's African he runs around stripped to the waist with a stick? and lives in a straw hut while slapping cattle?
Hmm...for all the grief Koreans get about stereotypical views of Africans, it seems one poster here has those as well.
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| I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging. |
Not from America are ye? Sure they gussy it up a little, but you get the same thing- Chinese/Soviets must be doping. Chinese/Soviets must be cheating. Chinese/Soviets must have bribed the judges.
But I still root for the good ol Stars N Stripes.
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If they could take both winning and losing better than I might cheer for them.
Showing a paper after the soccer bronze game that �Dokdo is ours�?! Come on. |
I wouldn't see that as any less appropriate as holding up a Korea unification flag. Just because we don't agree with the Dokdo position doesn't make such an act wholly unjustifiable.
Would you root for Argentina to lose if one of their athletes held up a "Falkland's is Argentinian" sign? or a Greek or Turk making a claim to Cyprus? How about "Free Tibet"? |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: |
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If they could take both winning and losing better than I might cheer for them.
Showing a paper after the soccer bronze game that �Dokdo is ours�?! Come on. |
I wouldn't see that as any less appropriate as holding up a Korea unification flag. Just because we don't agree with the Dokdo position doesn't make such an act wholly unjustifiable.
Would you root for Argentina to lose if one of their athletes held up a "Falkland's is Argentinian" sign? or a Greek or Turk making a claim to Cyprus? How about "Free Tibet"? |
Bringing politics to the Olympics is going against all kinds of moral values that the whole event stands for.
Anyhow, that was just an example but the �learn to handle winning and losing� was meant for the general public and the media not primarily for the athletes.
Much like anywhere else, most people only watch sports during the biggest events like a World Cup or the Olympics therefore they have very little idea about the power relations. They are raised to believe that Korea is the best in pretty much everything so when they win, they are over the top with celebrating the victory yet when they lose they keep trying to find excuses about judging and international conspiracies.
Korea didn�t win a single match on soccer world cups prior to 2002. It�s a fact. Most people started watching soccer during that time and since they made it to the best four, they think they are permanently part of the elite. Hence the threats against the Switzerland embassy 4 years later and all the hate against Argentina after they won against Korea by 3:0 in 2010. We were having a get together later during the Argentina-Germany quarter final and without exception all Koreans were cheering against Argentina for no other reason but because of the result of their previous encounter. A quick survey revealed that some of them thought Argentina was a European country....
Still about that World Cup, I had to listen to my principal (she is a nice woman but doesn�t know much about soccer) how Argentina played unfair and they kicked or pushed their almighty #10 but if they didn�t, Korea would have win etc. (again, it was 3:0)
After the most recent Korea-Japan bronze match the TV showed slow motion replays when the referee made mistakes benefiting Japan. Just small things that happen hundreds of times on every single match and the other party could find an equal amount of these unnoticed bits. But Korea won for heaven�s sakes! Be happy and leave it at that.
And countless other examples that make me not to cheer for Korea. I do not cheer against them, I just don�t care.
btw. Japan has more medals in overall but don�t try to explain this to a Korean.  |
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| lemak wrote: |
I'm "against" uber nationalism, people who attribute victory to some kind of racial supremecy (sound like nazis, huh?) and put defeat down to either cheating opponents or poor judging.
After the fencing, swimming and a couple of other "botched calls" there were many in the Korean camp calling for the team to return home and boycott the rest of the games. What amazing sportsmanship!
For these reasons I guess you could say I'm against Korea in the Olympics, and/or any other international sporting arena they participate in.
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I'm against people who think that because SOME people demonstrate poor sportmanship that they are representative of all other people of that nationality.
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Oh...gee...wow.....thanks for that amazing insight.
And for taking the time to inform me about something everyone everywhere already knows.
Your "valuable wisdom" has really changed my mind!! |
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