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Savant
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I wish the OP well and success if she decides to take legal action.
Too many Korean men (adjeossies) swagger around and act as if they own the place. They need to be put back in their place. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Savant wrote: |
I wish the OP well and success if she decides to take legal action.
Too many Korean men (adjeossies) swagger around and act as if they own the place. They need to be put back in their place. |
May I ask what their place is and who the heck you are to determine what it is? |
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lichtarbeiter
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| May I ask what their place is |
Probably a mindset in which they don't behave in the way that the OP mentioned.
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who the heck you are to determine what it is?
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A possessor of common sense and human decency, I would say.
People who behave like that deserve to be put in their place. I don't see what's controversial about Savant's statement. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| lichtarbeiter wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| May I ask what their place is |
Probably a mindset in which they don't behave in the way that the OP mentioned.
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who the heck you are to determine what it is?
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A possessor of common sense and human decency, I would say.
People who behave like that deserve to be put in their place. I don't see what's controversial about Savant's statement. |
So if a Korean person, an ajosshi for example, said "Too many foreigners walk around like they own the place need to be put back in their place", you wouldn't have a problem with that statement? |
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lichtarbeiter
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| lichtarbeiter wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| May I ask what their place is |
Probably a mindset in which they don't behave in the way that the OP mentioned.
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who the heck you are to determine what it is?
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A possessor of common sense and human decency, I would say.
People who behave like that deserve to be put in their place. I don't see what's controversial about Savant's statement. |
So if a Korean person, an ajosshi for example, said "Too many foreigners walk around like they own the place need to be put back in their place", you wouldn't have a problem with that statement? |
If it was in the context of a foreigner acting in a manner described by the OP, and the ajossi was referring exclusively to that type of foreigner, then no, why would I? I would agree with him. |
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Dodge7
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails you need to be put in your place and relax. lich is right. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| If it was in the context of a foreigner acting in a manner described by the OP, and the ajossi was referring exclusively to that type of foreigner, then no, why would I? I would agree with him. |
But Savant specified a type of person based on A)Ethnicity and B)Gender and C)Age/Marital Status
Last time I checked generalizing people based on those things would be considered bigotry.
He didn't say "People who are rude drivers" or "Inconsiderate Types" He said "Korean men (ajosshis)". That's a bigoted statement.
Again if someone said "Foreign Men (English Teachers)" need to be put in their place, what would your reaction be? Not "rude foreigners spitting on the subway" Foreign Men. That would rightly be called out for bigotry and racism.
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| teelrails you need to be put in your place and relax. lich is right. |
I'll relax if you agree to relax about all the perceived slights you face from Koreans and people here cease to make blatantly bigoted statements.
Again, Foreign Men need to be put in their place. Sound kosher to you? Not to me. So is it okay to say "Korean men need to be put in their place"? |
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lichtarbeiter
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If it was in the context of a foreigner acting in a manner described by the OP, and the ajossi was referring exclusively to that type of foreigner, then no, why would I? I would agree with him. |
But Savant specified a type of person based on A)Ethnicity and B)Gender and C)Age/Marital Status
Last time I checked generalizing people based on those things would be considered bigotry.
He didn't say "People who are rude drivers" or "Inconsiderate Types" He said "Korean men (ajosshis)". That's a bigoted statement.
Again if someone said "Foreign Men (English Teachers)" need to be put in their place, what would your reaction be? Not "rude foreigners spitting on the subway" Foreign Men. That would rightly be called out for bigotry and racism.
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Again, he didn't just say "Korean men", he said "too many Korean men", and again, it was in the context of a discussion of the particular incident described by the OP.
If some foreign d-bags had just finished trashing a club in Itaewon and a Korean said that "too many foreigner men act like they own the place and need to be put back in their place", I would gladly agree with that Korean. |
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Landros
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: don't confront road ragers |
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the whole driving scene in Korea is different than back home.
That man being told to back up was very confrontational. Don't be surprised if drivers act like that. In my hometown cars don't have to back up but here in Korea if you try to make someone back up it is saying that you are more important than they are and they will get really offended. It is something you have to learn how to do or the same reaction will reoccur. I am not defending the man's actions but I am trying to explain when you thought you were in the right, the other driver saw you as being a stupid driver.
Anyway remember your vehicle is a weapon. More dangerous than a hand gun.
Your husband has to grow a pair and find out what this guy is saying online. Have him ask the Korean driver if his mother would be happy with him harassing his wife.
I mean Korea use the real name online system so your husband should "protect" you. Sorry if this sounds racist or sexist but we are in Korea and to deal with legal matters you really need advice from someone familiar with the Korean system not what is done in the states or something.
So have a Korean speaker look into the online stalking and from now on keep pictures of your kids privtae and your kakoa talk should not have your face on it even. just have like a logo or something.
Ifyou stood your ground you really just wasted everyone's time but good for you. when you left and he then cut you off you should have just hit his car and let the insurance companies deal with his action.
Anyway it is a good thing you didn't run him over but he is lucky he didn't stand infront of my car and threaten me. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| lichtarbeiter wrote: |
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| If it was in the context of a foreigner acting in a manner described by the OP, and the ajossi was referring exclusively to that type of foreigner, then no, why would I? I would agree with him. |
But Savant specified a type of person based on A)Ethnicity and B)Gender and C)Age/Marital Status
Last time I checked generalizing people based on those things would be considered bigotry.
He didn't say "People who are rude drivers" or "Inconsiderate Types" He said "Korean men (ajosshis)". That's a bigoted statement.
Again if someone said "Foreign Men (English Teachers)" need to be put in their place, what would your reaction be? Not "rude foreigners spitting on the subway" Foreign Men. That would rightly be called out for bigotry and racism.
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Again, he didn't just say "Korean men", he said "too many Korean men", and again, it was in the context of a discussion of the particular incident described by the OP.
If some foreign d-bags had just finished trashing a club in Itaewon and a Korean said that "too many foreigner men act like they own the place and need to be put back in their place", I would gladly agree with that Korean. |
Fine, but I doubt that many on this board would agree. What's too many? What place are they to be put in? Who decides that?
How about this- "Too many foreigners act like they own Haeundae and need to be put back in their place." It's not like there's a thread on Dave's where people take exception to such lines of thought. |
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lichtarbeiter
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Asking me to put a number on it is rather pedantic. When I tell people there are too many mosquitoes in Paju, I don't expect them to ask me how many is too many. "45,000? 60,000?"
It simply means that from our perspective, we encounter this character far more often than we would like to.
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| What place are they to be put in? |
The place that normal people are in. A place where they realize that the world doesn't revolve around them, and that they ought to show common courtesy and respect to their fellow man.
It varies by situation. In this case, it could be the courts if the OP successfully sues for libel. What's your point?
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| How about this- "Too many foreigners act like they own Haeundae and need to be put back in their place." |
If it's true that too many foreigners act like they own Haeundae (I personally don't know), then I will agree that those particular foreigners deserve to be put in their place. How is that controversial? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Fine, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "The person/people who behaved that way should be put in their place"? Not "Foreign/Korean men".
I for one believe in treating perpetrators and people in general as individuals. There's no reason to use terms like "Korean men" or "Foreign men". The person who behaved this way was an individual. What being Korean and a male had to do with the situation, I have no idea. I have met obstinate drivers of all backgrounds and both genders.
"This person needs to be put in his place". Okay.
Seriously, how would we react to "Too many black men act like they own Compton. They need to be put in their place."? |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: |
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I'd love to hear an update from the OP about what is going on, what steps are involved, or otherwise share the experience with others so we can all be more prepared for the possibility of something similar happening in the future.
OP? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Again, he didn't just say "Korean men", he said "too many Korean men", and again, it was in the context of a discussion of the particular incident described by the OP.
If some foreign d-bags had just finished trashing a club in Itaewon and a Korean said that "too many foreigner men act like they own the place and need to be put back in their place", I would gladly agree with that Korean. |
So when talking about "black crime" in America, it'd be ok to say that "too many blacks need to be put in their place"?
Nah, that's wrong. It may not have been his intent, but it's worded with a heaping of racism. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| lichtarbeiter wrote: |
Again, he didn't just say "Korean men", he said "too many Korean men", and again, it was in the context of a discussion of the particular incident described by the OP.
If some foreign d-bags had just finished trashing a club in Itaewon and a Korean said that "too many foreigner men act like they own the place and need to be put back in their place", I would gladly agree with that Korean. |
So when talking about "black crime" in America, it'd be ok to say that "too many blacks need to be put in their place"?
Nah, that's wrong. It may not have been his intent, but it's worded with a heaping of racism. |
Agreed. |
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