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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| The difference between minus 5 and minus 25 to me seems pretty negligible. |
Massive difference between -5 and -25. |
Nah, dear Jvalmer, and I've lived considerable periods in both. Essentially the same - annoying, unpleasant and grim. Although I understand not acting in awe or deference to Canada's winter ruffles feathers (kind of on par with telling a Korean their food isn't as spicy as they'd like to think), however beyond a certain point cold is just cold. For what it's worth I'd argue the other way too...... plus 40 degrees....plus 55 degrees....whatever. It's nasty.
Ironically the person I worked with in Korea who outwhined even the Korean ladies about the cold grew up in Edmonton of all places. |
The difference between -5 and -25 is like the difference between +5 and +25. It is vastly different.
-5 is barely below freezing. I do admit if I do ever experience -40 weather, -55 won't feel that different. |
Yeah, I'm going to agree with this.
-5 is easy enough to walk around in for lengths of time... -25 is much harder.
I do feel you're trolling a bit though lemak. The bit about ruffling feathers, and the jab at the Edmontonian... not needed. Why not simply talk about YOUR experiences and feelings.
If you honestly feel that walking around outside at -5 is basically the same as -25 ... all the power to ya.
I find them quite different. Just as I find -45 sooooooo much worse. |
Unless you were the Edmonton chick, why would you care if I tell the story about her? I never even knew where the place was until I talked to a dude from Canada and he laughed at her, lol.
I tell you what though, you want personal experiences, I lived in Harbin for a winter a few years back. Might as well be in Siberia. Minus 30 degree daytime temps, proper...none of this windchill gibberish...being Northern China the place is relatively well heated. Lived in a dump of an apartment, but was toasty warm most of winter. The 5 minute walk to work was unpleasant, but nothing to pitch a conniption about. These days I live in an area classified as Southern China....the temperature rarely drops below zero, however as a result of being "south of the Yangtze" it's decreed the housing and buildings don't warrant proper heating. As a result it's freezing 24 hours a day. Spend most of the day in ski jackets, have even taught in ski gloves. When I was in Harbin, one of the coldest places on Earth I kid you not I spent the majority of the day in a t-shirt.
Akin to the comparisons between Korea and Canada I think. Sure...spend 10 hours outside in minus 30 degree temps and you're going to die. Live in an igloo and Canadian winters are going to suck BIG time. Are any of us actually doing that though?
We're inside creatures at this time of year. In the heat. Toasty warm for much of November to March. That's why I think in many respects Korean winters are actually worse. The heating sucks, the buildings suck, the insulation sucks, people are clueless about leaving doors and windows open.
Not sure how you consider that trolling. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Meh. This weather reminds me of Montreal. |
That's like saying, "Meh. It's not hot out, this weather reminds me of hell." |
"meh" and "derp" are two of the dumbest things I see people post on forums. "Lol" and those people who start off a responses to a post with, "Umm...." are equally irritating. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| lemak wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| lemak wrote: |
| The difference between minus 5 and minus 25 to me seems pretty negligible. |
Massive difference between -5 and -25. |
Nah, dear Jvalmer, and I've lived considerable periods in both. Essentially the same - annoying, unpleasant and grim. Although I understand not acting in awe or deference to Canada's winter ruffles feathers (kind of on par with telling a Korean their food isn't as spicy as they'd like to think), however beyond a certain point cold is just cold. For what it's worth I'd argue the other way too...... plus 40 degrees....plus 55 degrees....whatever. It's nasty.
Ironically the person I worked with in Korea who outwhined even the Korean ladies about the cold grew up in Edmonton of all places. |
The difference between -5 and -25 is like the difference between +5 and +25. It is vastly different.
-5 is barely below freezing. I do admit if I do ever experience -40 weather, -55 won't feel that different. |
Yeah, I'm going to agree with this.
-5 is easy enough to walk around in for lengths of time... -25 is much harder.
I do feel you're trolling a bit though lemak. The bit about ruffling feathers, and the jab at the Edmontonian... not needed. Why not simply talk about YOUR experiences and feelings.
If you honestly feel that walking around outside at -5 is basically the same as -25 ... all the power to ya.
I find them quite different. Just as I find -45 sooooooo much worse. |
Unless you were the Edmonton chick, why would you care if I tell the story about her? I never even knew where the place was until I talked to a dude from Canada and he laughed at her, lol.
I tell you what though, you want personal experiences, I lived in Harbin for a winter a few years back. Might as well be in Siberia. Minus 30 degree daytime temps, proper...none of this windchill gibberish...being Northern China the place is relatively well heated. Lived in a dump of an apartment, but was toasty warm most of winter. The 5 minute walk to work was unpleasant, but nothing to pitch a conniption about. These days I live in an area classified as Southern China....the temperature rarely drops below zero, however as a result of being "south of the Yangtze" it's decreed the housing and buildings don't warrant proper heating. As a result it's freezing 24 hours a day. Spend most of the day in ski jackets, have even taught in ski gloves. When I was in Harbin, one of the coldest places on Earth I kid you not I spent the majority of the day in a t-shirt.
Akin to the comparisons between Korea and Canada I think. Sure...spend 10 hours outside in minus 30 degree temps and you're going to die. Live in an igloo and Canadian winters are going to suck BIG time. Are any of us actually doing that though?
We're inside creatures at this time of year. In the heat. Toasty warm for much of November to March. That's why I think in many respects Korean winters are actually worse. The heating sucks, the buildings suck, the insulation sucks, people are clueless about leaving doors and windows open.
Not sure how you consider that trolling. |
I saw it as trolling because you decided to chime in about Canadian ego - when there wasn't a need.
You feel that -5 or -10 in korea is "worse" than -20, -30, -40 in parts of Canada - so be it.
I think that's out to lunch.
I've never really felt like I could die from the cold in Korea. Standing at a bus stop here, or walking to the store... as you said, it's uncomfortable.
But doing the same at -25, -35, etc... that's freaking near death.
If it's the heating in your place that bothers you, I'd suggest living somewhere else. I've lived in Korea for 11+ years now and have never had a problem with heating in my apt. But then again, I generally live in decent places...
But that reasoning would apply to any country - live in a cheap place = deal with poor insulation/heating. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Well I have been to Canada. Gets pretty cold in Toronto and Montreal.
I lived in Siberia but it was a dry cold. I remember -30 C. I think below that, little kids didn`t have to go to school. At a little below -50 C power lines can snap. I remember hearing how people would have to leave their cars running for awhile before using them.
So having the right clothing and a good fur hat helped a lot.
I lived in Irkutsk, and I remember it not being so windy.
Before they had dams, temperatures were lower.
I think in the northern part, water has to come from rivers since what is the point in having pipes, since they will just freeze in the winter anyway.
As for Korea, well I think it is a damp cold. I think maybe it really is the wind chill that makes one feel cold. Busan feels cold since it is by the sea. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| It was 10 degrees here yesterday in Seogwipo. I went to the beach and saw a foreign guy walking around with no shirt on. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone out in Hongdae tonight? A sheet of ice on almost every sidewalk. Ridiculous how they never treat the sidewalks here. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to buy a down jacket to keep me warm. Does anyone know what kind of down rating I need? Will 500 fill be enough or should I be looking at 800? |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Now if only my school would turn on the heaters instead of having me sit in my office weathering the cold for the "good of the nation." It's not my fault the government can't regulate their nuclear plants properly. |
This is the primary reason I went to the private sector (a corporate job). The 30% raise, the benefits, the fact that I'm on a yearly salary+bonus package that is paid on time, and the fact that my new job is PERMANENT instead of contract are all nice, but the biggest benefit is getting to work at a big desk, getting a computer that's not 5 years old and working in an office that's actually heated. My office is so warm, it gets HOT occasionally. It's warmer than my prison cell one-room. Electric boilers FTL 
This country taxes petroleum to death, and that's the reason there's never enough electricity. The tax on gasoline is 105%. Crazy bureaucrats  |
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