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[Real Reality]

jaykimf,

Back to the original question.
ANYBODY have a legitimate salary scale for teachers, college instructors, and university professors working in Korea? Where are the salary scales for teachers, college instructors, and university professors working in Korea? Are they compensated for experience and education?

[VanIslander]

Legitimate?

Anyways, guys, maybe on this thread real reality doesn't have an axe to grind (which is getting dull) but instead is... beating a dead horse!

If you really only want an answer to your question RR, and aren't trying to make some sort of argumentative point like you so often do with your other information-providing threads, then simply post your question to the Q&A Forum and avoid discussions of relevance altogether.

Then return to sharpening your critiques of Korea and Koreans on more interesting threads than this one.

IMHO.

[jaykimf]

Real Reality:

EXCUSE ME. But if you don't want to discuss salary scales at Suffolk Community college and how they compare with your salary here in Korea, why did YOU post those salary scales? We all know what a salary scale is. Getting back to your original question, I have no information on salary scales here in Korea and wouldn't waste my time looking for any because it doesn't matter. I do know that here in Korea , as in the U.S., there is a two tier system. On the top are the tenured regular faculty and on the bottom are the non tenured adjunct faculty and in between is a wide gap in salary and benefits. . You are an Adjunct Instructor and as such, are stuck in the bottom tier. In Korea, many koreans and in the U.S. many americans are also in the same second class boat. Or maybe not. Many of them actually have PHDs, can't find a job at all and would be happy if they could just get into the second class boat that you are always whining about.

[Real Reality]

jaykimf,
Can Koreans become full-time professors in Canada and the United States?
Immigration, Republic of Korea
Visa E-1 (Professor)
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/e_1.html
Source site:
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/service_01.html

THIS immigration regulation MAY have changed but remains on the immigration pages.

SNU officials said that a 1999 legal revision paved the way for SNU to recruit foreign faculty members. Previously, all national universities in Korea could not appoint foreigners as full-time professors. SNU officials said that since the revision, it has hired three professors with foreign nationalities, but all were ethnically Korean. Education Ministry officials said that despite the law's revision, Korea's national and public universities still recruit few foreign professors.

The ministry statistics released in April last year showed there were only 19 foreign professors out of 10,929 full-time faculty members at 32 national universities. It also said that the two public universities, which have a combined total of 471 professors, do not have a single foreign professor. There are two foreigners out of 1,247 professors at the nation's eight two-year industrial universities, according to statistics. Ministry officials said Korean professors and university authorities are still reluctant to embrace foreigners as faculty members. SNU's decision is likely to encourage other national universities to expand their international faculty, the officials said.

Currently, there are 1,123 foreign professors at 137 four-year private universities of the 31,297 teachers.
Title: Seoul National University hires its first foreign faculty member
Date: May 29, 2001 from the Korea Herald http://www.koreaherald.com

Foreign professors number only a handful compared to the legions of Korean professors at foreign universities, but they do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Disturbing Trend Appearing?, Long termers Not being re-hired.
This only applies to institutuions of higher learning.
Recently we have become aware of 5 cases of employees (teachers) who have worked for 4 or more years, with the same employer, NOT being renewed. (4 years, 2 x 7 years, 8 years, 13 years,). Those who have been told to date include university teachers, college teachers and some Epik teachers. It is a cynical attempt to prevent foreigners from getting tenure should some enterprising teacher take the matter to court.
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3343

2001 College Education Advancement Index by the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE).
Full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year's 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798

IN THE U.S.
The 2000 Directory of Korean-American University Professors contains about 1,900 entries; According to their academic departmental affiliation:
Mathematical and computer science - 150
Engineering - 250
Physical and chemical sciences - 200
Life sciences - 300
Business (including economics, which has over 200 entries) - 500
Other (including liberal and fine arts) - 500

As of 1999, among the foreign born doctorate holders working in the U.S., China rated the highest as the place of birth at 20%:
China - 20%
India - 16%
UK - 7%
Taiwan - 6%
Canada - 4%
Germany - 4%
Iran - 3%
Korea - 2%
Japan - 1%
Reference:
Kichoon Yang. (2002). Korean American Scientists in American Higher Education. Proceedings of the Conference on the Centennial Celebration Korean Immigration to the United States. August 16-18, 2002. Falls Church, Virginia.
Note: Available online at http://www.phy.duke.edu/~myhan/yang.ppt