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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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^^ they want a young and pretty white thang to look at.  |
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fat_chris
Joined: 11 Jan 2013
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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If they just wanted to chit-chat or do very light study then I may have offered a coworker discount, but I'm not prepping actual lessons for like 20k an hour.
15k an hour is frankly laughable though. To accept pay like that it'd have to be a favor for a friend, a commute under five minutes long, casual lessons, food/drinks provided, and like four students each paying 15k. |
Seconded.
I generally don't do private lessons and I only do them in special cases. I have been offered a few but I either decline them or refer them to other people. I don't need the money, which isn't a ballertastic sum anyway, and I value my time to do other things. Private lessons are, in nature, temporary anyway--nothing to really rely on or fall back on, in my experience.
Warm regards,
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:32 am Post subject: |
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15k an hour is pretty standard for korean or international college students to charge for tutoring kids.(and yes, it's legal) and those gigs can be pretty scarce if you are located in an area near a university.
most mothers prefer young female tutors for their kids. and most korean men prefer college age girls as tutors as well.
go figure.LOL |
Not to harp on a point that really isn't the topic...but as an international student myself (not exchange student, just regular foreign student with a student visa) Private lessons are certainly NOT legal. I can show exactly where it says expressly this on the immigration website, but if you can show me proof that it is indeed legal, I would be especially interested to see it (keeping in mind that am a student) |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:56 am Post subject: |
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No worries. Ive hated privates from day one partly because they are illegal and mostly because I find them annoying. That said if it was something that had been changed without my knowledge, I might have been willing to give the idea a second look.
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Ive hated privates from day one partly because they are illegal and mostly because I find them annoying. |
Hm. They may be illegal for some, but to be paid 40-60k an hour just to talk with someone in your native language, who will often (depending on the client) buy you lunch or dinner on top of things, is a wonderful happening. I don't see how someone could complain or call it annoying, it's the easiest money you'll likely ever make. I've had one on ones with scientists, doctors, chaebol workers, etc., and it has always been a financially lucrative and generally rewarding experience, socially, to say the least. (I obviously can't help but agree that 15k/hr is awful, though.) |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
15k an hour is pretty standard for korean or international college students to charge for tutoring kids.(and yes, it's legal) and those gigs can be pretty scarce if you are located in an area near a university.
most mothers prefer young female tutors for their kids. and most korean men prefer college age girls as tutors as well.
go figure.LOL |
Not to harp on a point that really isn't the topic...but as an international student myself (not exchange student, just regular foreign student with a student visa) Private lessons are certainly NOT legal. I can show exactly where it says expressly this on the immigration website, but if you can show me proof that it is indeed legal, I would be especially interested to see it (keeping in mind that am a student) |
dont know how up-to-date this uni is, but it seems like hakwon work is fine, but not, as u stated, private tutoring. i had heard 20 hrs is okayed by kimmi, but not sure if that's the case these days or not.
http://www.ajou.ac.kr/english/svc/svc_1_6.jsp |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| The ad mentions nothing about whether the poster is a native speaker of English. I've known Filipinos in Korea who will teach at far below the market rate. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
15k an hour is pretty standard for korean or international college students to charge for tutoring kids.(and yes, it's legal) and those gigs can be pretty scarce if you are located in an area near a university.
most mothers prefer young female tutors for their kids. and most korean men prefer college age girls as tutors as well.
go figure.LOL |
Not to harp on a point that really isn't the topic...but as an international student myself (not exchange student, just regular foreign student with a student visa) Private lessons are certainly NOT legal. I can show exactly where it says expressly this on the immigration website, but if you can show me proof that it is indeed legal, I would be especially interested to see it (keeping in mind that am a student) |
dont know how up-to-date this uni is, but it seems like hakwon work is fine, but not, as u stated, private tutoring. i had heard 20 hrs is okayed by kimmi, but not sure if that's the case these days or not.
http://www.ajou.ac.kr/english/svc/svc_1_6.jsp |
Yeah hagwon work..or otherwise on the books English teaching is possible...and due to recent changes grad students like myself can work up to 30 hours
(undergrad folks still limited to 20) Naturally we have to do all of the same things regular E2 people have to do (CBC, health test..etc)
Its somewhat ironic though...because on a student visa you dont even need to have completed your undergrad to get permission to work legally teaching English. If I recall so long as the student is a native of the English speaking country, and completed at least 10 years of education there (essentially high school) they can come to Korea...do an undergrad, and begin teaching English legally after having completed only their second year of university study.
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| augustine wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| Ive hated privates from day one partly because they are illegal and mostly because I find them annoying. |
Hm. They may be illegal for some, but to be paid 40-60k an hour just to talk with someone in your native language, who will often (depending on the client) buy you lunch or dinner on top of things, is a wonderful happening. I don't see how someone could complain or call it annoying, it's the easiest money you'll likely ever make. I've had one on ones with scientists, doctors, chaebol workers, etc., and it has always been a financially lucrative and generally rewarding experience, socially, to say the least. (I obviously can't help but agree that 15k/hr is awful, though.) |
I wont admit to doing such...but I will say that despite the fact that so many do so, and its rare to get caught..the consequences of getting caught are a bit more severe for a student. Along with the typical fine and possible deportation/blacklisting, for students doing such results in your academic record/credits earned being erased. It is possible to make more than 4 million won a month as a grad student working the maximum 30 hours a week (believe me, I am personally doing it) With that in mind...while privates can indeed be a lucrative affair, I personally am happy with the money I make legally, and don't really want to (or need)to give up any more of my time to do so considering the unlikely yet real consequences. Id rather talk to friends or otherwise people I actually enjoy that sit through a conversation lesson and/or dinner with people that other than the fact they are paying me I would not be interested in hanging out with. (just my opinion...to each his own)
All it takes is one jealous mother across the hall who cant afford private teachers herself...or one grumpy security guard who notices you coming in and out of the building at the same time for the same amount of time to try to collect on the reward for reporting illegal teaching.
There is a reason why I comment on mostly student related issues (aside from a few drunken posts here and there) Its because Ive been here in Korea for 8 years straight on student visas doing misc. degrees and programs, and for me personally, doing so allows me to not only study things that interest me, but also stack up degrees (of questionable worth) all the while making decent bank legally while not being obligated to one employer who sponsors my visa/controls my housing (bascially, has me by the balls)...etc etc. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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OP
1. Its none of your business what others charge to the extent that you want to know what the market rate is.
2. You sound like a capitalist. Heard of something called the 'free market' and 'supply and demand'? Wiki it if you haven't had a simple Econ 101 class.
3. For others, cars come in a wide variety of prices. A Hyundai Excel and Mercedes are priced different for an obvious reason.
4. To the person who said tutors are a closely guarded secret. Complete BS. Referrals are huge in this country. Ajumas meet regularly at the park, where ever and and one of their main discussion topics are their kids and the quality of their hogwons, tutors, etc. They refer to friends and family members all the time.
5. Going back to point 3. My experience is if someone tried to sell you a Mercedes for the price of a Hyundai Excel you'd think something was wrong with the Mercedes. If you are a good teacher, know you are, are effective and have confidence you are good, you charge that price. People will accept it but you better back it up.
I remember being told privates only last for a few months generally. I found out that they do because the teachers aren't worth the money according to the parent. If you do a good job and offer bang for the buck they hold on to you. I've seen privates go for well over a year or two. I know F1s who have a waiting list for their home business and had kids for years. The problem is that its obvious to some parents most are in it for the money, just phone it in sometimes or even every time and teachers don't seem to be concerned with their child. If you seem to care, try and do a good job, they value you and pay the rate for that kind of service.
6. If I didn't mention it OP, its none of your business. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^If the OP is "in" the tutoring business then it is his business. You're saying he shouldn't care what others charge but if it is affecting his livelihood, that's makes it his business. He's isn't contacting the guy charging 15k/hour or threatening him, he's just letting it be known on a public forum what he is doing to the market. I see nothing wrong with that. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| ^^If the OP is "in" the tutoring business then it is his business. You're saying he shouldn't care what others charge but if it is affecting his livelihood, that's makes it his business. He's isn't contacting the guy charging 15k/hour or threatening him, he's just letting it be known on a public forum what he is doing to the market. I see nothing wrong with that. |
It is none of his business if a guy charges 15k or 150k to the extent he can evaluate and price his own business.
Of course it effects his business to some extent either directly or indirectly if he's in the same city or area. But so what? One should focus on their own business. If you're doing 50k an hour teaching quality, you will get 50k an hour since you've built a reputation.
Hogwons come in different price ranges, in fact, all products and services do.
The OP is complaining. So, he does care enough to go on a public forum and complain about it. I know international studens in my city charging that much but its their business and they can do what they want. I take care of myself.
If he's concerned about a guy charging 15k an hour its more a reflection on the quality he teaches possibly. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Up in Gangnam it might be 70 an hour. Out in the provinces, it was 45ish. Now, I hear many have lost privates. A combination of too many new teachers flooding the market and people having less money than before. Seems if you throw the number of 40 to 50 an hour around people get shocked and never want services from what I hear.
As for the rest of it, supply and demand.... |
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